2023 Mach-E priced over $55K & delivered in 2023 will not qualify for tax credit! Latest IRS ruling says Mach-E is a CAR - not SUV !

[Kamuelaflyer]

It's a damn car guys come on and let it go lol. Ford knows that the "crossover suv" is the hottest way to market a vehicle in the U.S. but unless the car does atleast some things that an suv does besides having a practical trunk then it's just a car. So if you really want to know if our beloved maxh e is a "crossover suv" then ask your self these 2 questions lol

1. Can I tow ANYTHING?
2. Can I go off-road ANYWHERE?

If your answers are yes then you are the lucky one who actually got the real cross over version unlike the people who answered no to those questions..... our unfortunately asses all got cars LMAO

For day-to-day use, it is what we think it is. And for the tax credit, it's what the IRS says it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

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[Kamuelaflyer]

Why? Tesla had had no tax credit for ages and continues to sell despite terrible build quality, and horrible service. It's an incentive, not a normal baked in savings anytime should count on that is available for a fraction of vehicles out there. I don't understand this logic at all.

Yup.

 

[Rickyricardo27]

This is actually a good thing. It’ll force manufacturers to stay within a certain price point or go back to the thinking board. I remember when I was buying my first MME there were people in Canada who were going to miss their incentives because the msrp was too much on the first edition and the premium or something like that. I think the cap as 60k if memory serves me right and ford suddenly changed the msrp to 59,999

 

[Logal727]

I guess we’re leaving out that basically half of the trims will still qualify, we all just love our Premium and up trims too much lol

 

[Timelessblur]

This is just stupid IRS rules. I can bet ford is going to fix this by simple updating the gross max weight of the Mach E to go to 6001 lb

basically do what ever changes need to be done to increase the payload of the car by 600 lb and all of a sudden it will be an SUV by IRS rules.

over all I hate how the law has a cliff For the tax credits instead of phase out for every dollar over the cliff. It makes a 55,001 car 7500 more expensive than a 55000. I would be fine with say for every dollar over you lose say 50 cents of credit

 

[phil]

We got the tax credit passed on in our Audi lease. You can be damn sure Ford will pass them on if nobody qualifies any other way. It’s Ford leasing after all.

I agree. Just look at how Ford went out of its way to design the Ford Options program, to make it slightly easier for those who are used to a lease-type format to obtain the federal tax credit under the old rules.

Now, leasing is the only way for Ford and its customers (the large majority of customers, at least) to obtain $7,500 of taxpayer money. Absolutely Ford will make sure customers get the money.

Bottom line: The $55,000 limit is not important. But in most cases, customers will want to lease, rather than purchase, the Mustang Mach-E. It does not make sense, but them's the rules! At least for today

 

[DaveP]

This is just stupid IRS rules. I can bet ford is going to fix this by simple updating the gross max weight of the Mach E to go to 6001 lb

basically do what ever changes need to be done to increase the payload of the car by 600 lb and all of a sudden it will be an SUV by IRS rules. It’s

My Mazda cx-5 is considered a SUV and weighs 3700lbs. Dont get how 'suv' is determined

 

[Timelessblur]

My Mazda cx-5 is considered a SUV and weighs 3700lbs. Dont get how 'suv' is determined

What is the GVWR of it. That is load to max weight.
The Mach E GVWR is 5930lb. 71lb shy of breaking 6000 lbcan promise you ford is going to increase the specs to give the car 71 more lb of cargo to push the GVWR over 6k.

there are several different ways to be an SUV by IRS rules. Easiest one for the Mach E at this point is to cross a GVWR of 6000lb. Super stupid rules.

 

[DaveP]

What is the GVWR of it. That is load to max weight.
The Mach E GVWR is 5930lb. 71lb shy of breaking 6000 lbcan promise you ford is going to increase the specs to give the car 71 more lb of cargo to push the GVWR over 6k.

there are several different ways to be an SUV by IRS rules. Easiest one for the Mach E at this point is to cross a GVWR of 6000lb. Super stupid rules.

4500-4800 GVWR for 2020 cx-5

 

[gryphon]

This is actually a good thing. It’ll force manufacturers to stay within a certain price point or go back to the thinking board. I remember when I was buying my first MME there were people in Canada who were going to miss their incentives because the msrp was too much on the first edition and the premium or something like that. I think the cap as 60k if memory serves me right and ford suddenly changed the msrp to 59,999

I’d argue it’s potentially a good thing for those that haven’t purchased or leased a MME yet, but potentially a bad thing for those that just did.

 

[Scooby24]

Why? Tesla had had no tax credit for ages and continues to sell despite terrible build quality, and horrible service. It's an incentive, not a normal baked in savings anytime should count on that is available for a fraction of vehicles out there. I don't understand this logic at all.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-e-is-a-car-not-suv.24690/page-14#post-573225

It's cumulative.

1) No X Plan anymore

2) Features removed

3) Finance Rates have jumped

4) Price of 2023 model year 8K+ for some models

5) Tax Credit Gone

6) Telsa is back on the list to get tax credits for some models. Their prices are going down and Fords are going up.

7) Resale is tanking

Cumulative price is probably close to 20k increase all said and done on some models and configurations factoring in all costs versus MY 21

You're not understanding this logic? At all?

I mean...I'm not the smartest dude in the world when it comes to finances but this just looks dumb as hell to me to be okay with all of this.

 

[DaveP]

Why would they kill higher trim. Are all EVs going to kill trims above certain price point? The incentive is an incentive that's temporary. It allowed people that couldn't afford it to afford it for a specified period of time. Not forever, that why there is the Bolt. Had their never been a tax credit there would not be any of this talk or anger. I get people are bummed they don't get it or missed it but to get angry is a bit odd don't you think.

 

[MachKet]

Why would they kill higher trim. Are all EVs going to kill trims above certain price point? The incentive is an incentive that's temporary. It allowed people that couldn't afford it to afford it for a specified period of time. Not forever, that why there is the Bolt. Had their never been a tax credit there would not be any of this talk or anger. I get people are bummed they don't get it or missed it but to get angry is a bit odd don't you think.

Cars have always been a volume business. This severely hurts the mach-e ability to compete. It’s already facing an uphill battle against competitors performance wise. Would you buy your mach-e for 16k more than you paid for? Probably not

 

[DaveP]

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...-e-is-a-car-not-suv.24690/page-14#post-573225

It's cumulative.

1) No X Plan anymore

2) Features removed

3) Finance Rates have jumped

4) Price of 2023 model year 8K+ for some models

5) Tax Credit Gone

6) Telsa is back on the list to get tax credits for some models. Their prices are going down and Fords are going up.

7) Resale is tanking

Cumulative price is probably close to 20k increase all said and done on some models and configurations factoring in all costs versus MY 21

You're not understanding this logic? At all?

I mean...I'm not the smartest dude in the world when it comes to finances but this just looks dumb as hell to me to be okay with all of this.

1) No X Plan anymore - another incentive. Do other EVs have x-plan.

2) Features removed- park and hands free liftgate? Not think most seem bothered by. What other EVs have this feature.

3) Finance Rates have jumped-rates jumped not matter what car you by ev or ice. What's the point here. You can wait till rates come down I'm 2024 but they won't come down to last year's lows.

4) Price of 2023 model year 8K+ for some models. - Did you see how Tesla price increases have happened on regular basis far surpassing 8k and how affordable is mme to other comparable EVs? Kia or Hyundai I guess you can get for a little less but those don't really interest me personally.

5) Tax Credit Gone- tax credit is the same across the board so if its a problem with mme then it will likely be an issue on any other vehicle.

6) Telsa is back on the list to get tax credits for some models.- Their prices are going down and Fords are going up. Then by a Tesla and prep for build quality issues and nightmare service while watching Musk tank their value which has taken a huge hit along with their stock.

7) Resale is tanking- compared to what? When outside of the last few years has resale not tanked once you drive off the lot for any vehicle. That's why many have done Ford options plan so they can walk away if value is below the current market price. Who else has this option?

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