When will Ford make the Lane Change Assist available on Blue Cruise?

[ChuckA]

Are you asking when Will Ford male Lane Change Assist available to 2021 and 2022 vehicles?

The answer is, maybe never. Lane Change Assist is included in BlueCruise 1.2 on 2023 models, but Ford has not made a commitment or provided a timeline for providing BC1.2 to earlier models.

I think Ford is not willing to absorb more bad press and additional liability. They are watching Tesla incur fatal crashes

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[kennethjk]

There's literally a new post about this every day.

My question is when will they fix,

car play, profile, drive mode not available and you name it before they add new stuff that will break old stuff.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

rumors are rumors

It's not a rumor, it's not an official statement either. Ford is unlikely to do that for most any feature addition.

 

[Jimrpa]

Soon™.

Is that “frunk release soon”? Or just “new sync update soon”?

 

[Jimrpa]

I carefully said that MY23 has a different ADAS than MY21/22. BC 1.2 was designed originally for the new ADAS. If they are able to make that available with the ADAS installed in the MY21/22 then we will get it. If they aren't able to then we won't.

Was it only the ADAS (presumably processor?) that changed? Or were there other changes as well, such as the type or resolution of sensors or something? While I’d bet that I’d get a frunk release before Ford ever released a processor upgrade package, if the only thing that changed is the processor, then it’s theoretically possible that Ford could begin selling processor upgrades as a pre-requisite to the later versions of BlueCruise.

 

[Jimrpa]

I know I won't renew it, lane centering works just fine as it is. I will be playing with disabling the CMR to kill both the IR emitter and the nonsense of a blocked visual ala hand at 12 on the wheel causing it to freak out for no reason. The knee dragging trick works just fine, and I drag it in hands free too JIC it decides to do something stupid, my knee on the wheel has enough force to override the car's steering effort. I do this as it is in the F150 since it's hands-on LC only, the same thing bluecruise defaults to on unmapped roads, without the eye alert nonsense. There's no sub fee to this and sub-less BC should default to it.

Wh….
Nevermind (walks away)

 

[Blue highway]

I carefully said that MY23 has a different ADAS than MY21/22. BC 1.2 was designed originally for the new ADAS. If they are able to make that available with the ADAS installed in the MY21/22 then we will get it. If they aren't able to then we won't.

I would like to know just how different the ADAS is. BC has only worked in my car for a few months and is apparently a dead end for development already... Free or not free that is an architecture fail.

The UAV hardware I am familiar with can be a few generations old (in the case of most sensors and flight controllers) and can still run new code for 3-4 generations.

12 months from first release to no upgrade path available is not ok.

 

[Deleted member 16048]

It's not a rumor, it's not an official statement either. Ford is unlikely to do that for most any feature addition.

Until Ford explicitly states that 21 and 22s will get 1.2, it's a rumor. Rumor = a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth. Which this is since there is no official statement that I detailed enough to eliminate uncertainty.

So again, it's okay to have hope, but don't expect anything until it's explicitly stated through official channels.

 

[Jimrpa]

Per the following article published Apr 2021, the fact that Ford had "planned" to enhance BC with Lane Change Assit and Predictive Speed Assist features on 2021 models should mean the hardware is capable.

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...road-trips-bluecruise-hands-free-driving.html

"Beyond the 2021 F-150 and 2021 Mustang Mach-E, additional Ford vehicles will also receive BlueCruise hands-free driving technology, while current owners continue to receive over-the-air software updates to add new features and capabilities in the coming years.

Future enhancements are planned to include Lane Change Assist that will let the vehicle change lanes with just a tap of the turn signal indicator, and Predictive Speed Assist that will adjust vehicle speed for road curves, roundabouts and more"

Read that VERY carefully. Nowhere do they say whether the “new features and capabilities” for current owners will include things like lane change.

 

[Jimrpa]

I agree. I think all current Mach-E's should be good for the 1.X versions of BlueCruise.

In the future when Ford gets into the 2.X versions of BC and if they include things like Hands Off + Eyes Off.... well maybe the computer processors in our older MME's are not up to that task.

I hope you’re right, but given the frunk release track record, I’m skeptical.

 

[Hammered]

Wh….
Nevermind (walks away)

bluecruise is the hands free portion that requires the eye trackers and mapped roads only. Ford copilot 360 assist is what the system defaults to if you don't have the CMR (driver eye trackers) or mapped roads. It's essentially the same thing that prompts you for hands on wheel. If you're not operating in a mapped area, this is what the system defaults to. My F150 has the active system which doesn't have eye trackers and let you go hands free on the mapped roads. It's superior to the MME's in terms of not only behavior, but the roads it works on. The MME will shutoff auto steering far more often than the F150 will, despite it being a larger / wider vehicle.

I don't do much interstate driving. It's mostly state highways and other roads. Both the MME and F150 perform identically, but since the F150 doesn't have eye tracking, it doesn't freak out if my hand's position on the wheel is blocking the sensor. It does everything "bluecruise" does, sans going hands free, BUT, the F150's system is better. It may be a parallax issue having the camera higher. It's smoother and works on narrower lane roads.

As for hands-on-wheel nonsense, I've driven w/ my knee for as long as I've been driving. It detects hands on wheel by having resistance to its steering. If you have your knee on the wheel providing a little bit of resistance, the system registers it as hand on wheel. I do this in both vehicles, regardless if it's in hands free as the systems like to follow exit ramps. I can steer w/ my knee to counteract this.

 

[4sallypat]

I think Ford is not willing to absorb more bad press and additional liability. They are watching Tesla incur fatal crashes

Like this recent one in Nor Cal ?

How can the Tesla be that "stupid" and not see a huge fire truck blocking the lanes ??

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sh-with-fire-truck-draws-us-regulator-inquiry

 

[Hammered]

Like this recent one in Nor Cal ?

How can the Tesla be that "stupid" and not see a huge fire truck blocking the lanes ??

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...sh-with-fire-truck-draws-us-regulator-inquiry

Tesla is ADAS L2. How did the driver not see it?

 

[Jimrpa]

My F150 has the active system which doesn't have eye trackers and let you go hands free on the mapped roads.

Um, are you sure that you have a normal vehicle produced by Ford Motor Company for the retail North American market that absolutely allows you to go into hands-free BlueCruise/ActiveGlide (the entire instrument cluster tinted blue and the words “Hands-Free”, and that there is no active eye monitoring in that mode? You’re not mistaking BlueCruise ”Hands-Free” for hands-on “lane centering” are you?

 

[4sallypat]

Tesla is ADAS L2. How did the driver not see it?

I thought Tesla has the FSD and the vehicle is supposed to make decisions ?

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