Surprising BEV Future Purchase Survey Result!

[Jimrpa]

Just received a survey asking me how likely I’d be to purchase another BEV. After I answered the survey, they presented the results. Keep in mind, this was a survey of current owners. According to the results presented 47% of the respondents said they’d be very unlikely to purchase another BEV!

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[SpaceEVDriver]

Huh.
I'm very unlikely to ever purchase a vehicle with an ICE...

 

[Logal727]

Just received a survey asking me how likely I’d be to purchase another BEV. After I answered the survey, they presented the results. Keep in mind, this was a survey of current owners. According to the results presented 47% of the respondents said they’d be very unlikely to purchase another BEV!

Was this survey run by Shell?

 

[Garbone]

Odd.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Just received a survey asking me how likely I’d be to purchase another BEV. After I answered the survey, they presented the results. Keep in mind, this was a survey of current owners. According to the results presented 47% of the respondents said they’d be very unlikely to purchase another BEV!

I think you'll have to dissect the numbers. I would wager that if you never have to use a public charger, you'll much more likely buy another EV.

On the hand, if you have to deal with public DCFC on a regular basis, then it would sour your experience immensely. After all one of the biggest advantage of an EV is to have a full charge every morning and saving money on gas. I don't think DCFC is any cheaper than gas.

 

[Logal727]

I don't recall seeing an actual serious survey that is used by actual companies for data give results before. The JD Power survey surely don't. I participate in a lot of those, they actually sent me a $100 gift card a couple months ago for a Plugshare survey I did (it paid for my Twraps MagSafe charger)

So my guess this survey is heavily skewed by trolls.

 

[Vulnox]

Yeah, I wonder how much of it is from owners like we see on here that see their range estimate drop to 150 miles or whatever and even if they don't need to go far anyway think that a BEV is just useless because of it. It is amazing to me how many come to this site upset over the range loss on their BEV, even though ICE vehicles experience the same. My F-150 is down about 3 MPG on the really cold days for a number of reasons, but because many BEVs put that estimate front and center more than most ICE vehicles, people obsess over it.

I imagine that leads to a lot of dissatisfied customers, even if it actually hasn't caused them any problems. I am sure there are those with long distance driving complaints due to range and public infrastructure, they definitely need to work that stuff out.

Another question is how many are saying it not even because of the BEV components themselves, but almost all mass market BEVs are heavy on "tech" features. Giant touch screens, newest gen infotainment systems, etc. The id.4 has had such bad software issues it makes the complaints seen on here mild in comparison. Even among the MME faithful there is serious frustration with the OTA updates, lost profiles, etc. Issues that many people probably aren't seeing in the older Escape or Explorer. So they associate it with BEV headaches.

 

[Logal727]

but almost all mass market BEVs are heavy on "tech" features. Giant touch screens, newest gen infotainment systems, etc. The id.4 has had such bad software issues it makes the complaints seen on here mild in comparison. Even among the MME faithful there is serious frustration with the OTA updates, lost profiles, etc. Issues that many people probably aren't seeing in the older Escape or Explorer. So they associate it with BEV headaches.

This is exactly the reason EVs are getting low CR scores. Buggy infotainment.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

On the hand, if you have to deal with public DCFC on a regular basis, then it would sour your experience immensely. After all one of the biggest advantage of an EV is to have a full charge every morning and saving money on gas. I don't think DCFC is any cheaper than gas.

After 13k miles, most of which were driving on 500-1200 mile road trips, I find DCFC is much cheaper than gas, at least in the desert southwest to southern CA coast. I can make the 1200 mile round trip for less than $50 (I've never actually reached $50 cost, it's usually closer to $35-$40) in the Mustang. I couldn't do anything close to that in any of our gas vehicles. The last time I did the trip in my ICE truck, it cost me nearly $400. And the time before that, when I still had the ICE I upgraded to the Mustang from, it cost >$250. I track these because these trips are business trips.

 

[timbop]

Huh.
I'm very unlikely to ever purchase a vehicle with an ICE...

For sure - my wife's PHEV is the last car I'll buy with a gas engine. All my yard tools have been electric for a few years, too. Gas sucks; I still have a half empty gas can I can't get rid of because our local dump won't take them anymore.

I think you'll have to dissect the numbers. I would wager that if you never have to use a public charger, you'll much more likely buy another EV.

On the hand, if you have to deal with public DCFC on a regular basis, then it would sour your experience immensely. After all one of the biggest advantage of an EV is to have a full charge every morning and saving money on gas. I don't think DCFC is any cheaper than gas.

Most definitely the FUBARed state of public charging is souring some EV owners.

 

[Logal727]

Huh.
I'm very unlikely to ever purchase a vehicle with an ICE...

my sister-in-law just bought a new vehicle and I was trying to persuade her into getting an EV, but they kept saying that the extra cost didn't make sense and they got an ICE vehicle instead. I find it hard to explain why EVs are so much better than ICE because a lot of people can't get past the cost thing.

Just the freedom of not going to the gas station anymore is worth the extra expense. Fewer dealer visits, instant torque. All worth the cost of admission. Also depending on where you live or if you make your own power, better for the environment. But people are still trying to "break even" with ICE as far as cost to own.

 

[azerik]

After 13k miles, most of which were driving on 500-1200 mile road trips, I find DCFC is much cheaper than gas, at least in the desert southwest to southern CA coast. I can make the 1200 mile round trip for less than $50 (I've never actually reached $50 cost, it's usually closer to $35-$40) in the Mustang. I couldn't do anything close to that in any of our gas vehicles. The last time I did the trip in my ICE truck, it cost me nearly $400. And the time before that, when I still had the ICE I upgraded to the Mustang from, it cost >$250. I track these because these trips are business trips.

If I get mine back before spring break my daughter and I might just try this. Much easier I figure to DCFC with a 11 yr old and an ipad than my wife. lol

I'm on my 3rd EV. If I didn't have to have an ICE to tow 185 miles uphill.. I wouldn't even have an ICE.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

After 13k miles, most of which were driving on 500-1200 mile road trips, I find DCFC is much cheaper than gas, at least in the desert southwest to southern CA coast. I can make the 1200 mile round trip for less than $50 (I've never actually reached $50 cost, it's usually closer to $35-$40) in the Mustang. I couldn't do anything close to that in any of our gas vehicles. The last time I did the trip in my ICE truck, it cost me nearly $400. And the time before that, when I still had the ICE I upgraded to the Mustang from, it cost >$250. I track these because these trips are business trips.

you're telling me that you charged up at least 6 times (200mile/charge) at less than $10 a pop? What DCFC station are you going to? In Southern California/LA area, it cost around $30-40 for a full charge. (20-80%)

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

If I get mine back before spring break my daughter and I might just try this. Much easier I figure to DCFC with a 11 yr old and an ipad than my wife. lol

I'm on my 3rd EV. If I didn't have to have an ICE to tow 185 miles uphill.. I wouldn't even have an ICE.

This is our first BEV and our Nth HEV.

The only reason we still own an ICE (besides the outrageous capital cost of the F-150 Lightning and Rivian R1T) is that we can't make it to the dispersed camping (Locust Point) near the North Rim of the Grand Canyon with our travel trailer because of the woeful charging infrastructure on 89. I'm confident that will change in the next 5 years, though.

 

[DevSecOps]

Just received a survey asking me how likely I’d be to purchase another BEV. After I answered the survey, they presented the results. Keep in mind, this was a survey of current owners. According to the results presented 47% of the respondents said they’d be very unlikely to purchase another BEV!

I totally believe this. Of course on this forum, you're gonna have people who say it has to be rigged. But anyone who doesn't have their head in the clouds would notice all the negative YouTube videos about Rivan, Ford and many other EVs from reputable channels. Even if their head is stuck in that cloud it shouldn't escape the number of posts on this forum regarding bugs, failures, charging woes and unobtainable range numbers.

I think there's 3 camps:
1 - EV fanatics who think EVs can do no wrong and are going to save the world as we know it.
2 - Those who have open minds and reasonably question their viability and eco impact.
3 - Those who trash EVs and blow things out of proportion (i.e. 20k batteries every 3 years)

The problem that I've seen recently is that those in group 2 are leaning more towards ICE after giving EVs a shot. Group 1 is always going to say they would buy another EV (likely 75% of forum members).

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