Will Bluecruise 1.2 be available via OTA update?

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Oh but the best answer is always “Soon.” Soon always and forever, baby!
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Genuinely curious here:
  • In what way is the functionality of BlueCruise 1.2 “very limited”, leading to you to “rarely use it.”?
  • What is the “major upgrade” and “capabilities” you believe that BlueCruise 1.2 will offer (which presumably will lead you to use BlueCruise more frequently)?
Version 1.0 is very limited and version 1.2 is the upgrade. Upgrades include better lane-keep assist, lane centering and lane changing.
 
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an article in the auto press explaining the difference between the 22 and 23 models. The 23 weighs 70 lbs less than the 22 and that accounts for the 13 mile gain in max range.
 


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an article in the auto press explaining the difference between the 22 and 23 models. The 23 weighs 70 lbs less than the 22 and that accounts for the 13 mile gain in max range.
I‘d like to read that. Do you have a link?
 

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This was a great explanation of the reasons that you can't just roll out a software upgrade to a different year/trim of the Mach-E without further customization and testing. But looking at subsequent posts, I still don't think that some people get it.

It's the same reason that some features on an iPhone 14 will never work on an iPhone 13. It looks like the same phone, but the hardware isn't the same, as an example. But that's just one reason of many that new functionality has to be evaluated and tested to determine compatibility.
But 2023's have the exact same ADAS hardware as 2021's and 2022's. That's why people have been able to install the 2023 BlueCruise 1.2 software on their older F150's and it works.

an article in the auto press explaining the difference between the 22 and 23 models. The 23 weighs 70 lbs less than the 22 and that accounts for the 13 mile gain in max range.
You've drawn a connection between to things that isn't true. Jim Farley said they learned they could have reduced 70 lbs worth of wiring in Mach-E (from this article), but that doesn't mean they actually did that yet. They would be looking at that for the next version of the Mach-E.

The 2023's have the exact same wiring as the 21's and 22's minus some small feature deletions. The extra range comes from tweaking the numbers they submit to the EPA. 2023s get virtually the same range as 2021's. Tom from InsideEVs tested a 2023 and got the exact same range as a 2021:

https://insideevs.com/reviews/663649/ford-mustang-mache-range-test/
 

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I have a 2022 MME Premium w/ extended range battery, and Bluecruise 1.0. The capability of this version is very limited. As a result I rarely use it. However I've been reading that V 1.2 is a major upgrade w/ new capabilities, and works much better overall. 2023 models come equipped with V 1.2. Does Ford plan to release V 1.2 via OTA update to customers with older models?
NO (Or, maybe "Yes, approximately 5 years from now"). I mean, you'll see like 50 people on this forum respond "yes" and they sound real sure ("trust me bro"), but then again nobody ever points to an actual, real, documented piece of literature that definitively indicates BC 1.2 will go to older models later this year.
 

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But 2023's have the exact same ADAS hardware as 2021's and 2022's. That's why people have been able to install the 2023 BlueCruise 1.2 software on their older F150's and it works.



You've drawn a connection between to things that isn't true. Jim Farley said they learned they could have reduced 70 lbs worth of wiring in Mach-E (from this article), but that doesn't mean they actually did that yet. They would be looking at that for the next version of the Mach-E.

The 2023's have the exact same wiring as the 21's and 22's minus some small feature deletions. The extra range comes from tweaking the numbers they submit to the EPA. 2023s get virtually the same range as 2021's. Tom from InsideEVs tested a 2023 and got the exact same range as a 2021:

https://insideevs.com/reviews/663649/ford-mustang-mache-range-test/
Not true. The 2021 was rated at 270 miles; the 2022 rated for 277 miles and the 23 is rated for 290 miles. The increase in 2022 was because Ford increased the accessible battery capacity by 3%. I read that the 2023 range increase was due to the weight loss.
 

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Not true. The 2021 was rated at 270 miles; the 2022 rated for 277 miles and the 23 is rated for 290 miles. The increase in 2022 was because Ford increased the accessible battery capacity by 3%. I read that the 2023 range increase was due to the weight loss.
You know, it's really easy to prove your point when you have sources.... I think that's what everyone is asking you to do. When you cite a source and someone says "could you provide a link" and you say "no" it makes your assertions sound like they're full of ?
 

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Version 1.0 is very limited and version 1.2 is the upgrade. Upgrades include better lane-keep assist, lane centering and lane changing.
Thanks. So, to be sure I understand, you are saying that BlueCruise 1.0 is “very limited” because it’s “lane keeping assist and lane centering” are not as good as those capabilities in 1.2 and because it lacks “lane changing”? And for those reasons, you “almost never” use BlueCruise in your car?
If those are correct, follow-on question: have you ever owned a car with basic cruise control? If so, did you ever use it?
 

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IMHO, Tesla uses the "move fast and break things" mentality. See "auto pilot" and them using public roads for beta software testing. I really don't agree with that approach for driving assist in cars.
Personally, I believe that Tesla’s approach is literally criminal. First, Tesla has never obtained consent from me to participate in their “beta” yet, by placing these vehicles on the roads and in traffic where I could reasonably be expected to drive, I am being unwillingly and unknowingly being forced to participate in their beta program, against my will. Second, I believe that Tesla is deliberately disregarding public safety and putting property and lives in danger by putting this software, that they have labeled as “beta” (generally accepted to mean not final, experimental, may contain errors, may not function properly or as expected) on public roads where it can harm others.
Consider: how willing would YOU be to board an airplane if the airline proudly announced that your flight would be operated by the “beta” version of the manufacturer’s autopilot software? That would make the AutoTrain or just driving down I-95 to Disney look a lot more attractive, huh? ???
 

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an article in the auto press explaining the difference between the 22 and 23 models. The 23 weighs 70 lbs less than the 22 and that accounts for the 13 mile gain in max range.
The Mustang Mach E weights roughly 4,500 lbs. Your assertion is that a 1.5% weight decrease would yield an almost 5% range increase (270 mile stated range for MY21 + YOUR claimed 13 miles range increase) / 270 ~ 4.81% increase).
Just looking at the numbers, does that make sense to you? 1.5% weight decrease = 5% range increase?
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