Ford Dealership fast/ultra charging

[Mach-Lee]

The Ford dealer chargers are coming by Jan 1st. They will be open 7AM - 8PM, Monday through Saturday.

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[GreaseMonkey]

You have a point. Chevy, Hyundai, Nissan and Jaguar stores have had chargers for a while. Ford is running a few years behind but, like others have already stated, are catching up.

Most stores I’ve seen have ChargePoint, not EA or EVGo and while these chargers are technically DCFC, they are slower - at half the speed - and expensive. So option of last resort if you will.

 

[smunro622]

You have a point. Chevy, Hyundai, Nissan and Jaguar stores have had chargers for a while. Ford is running a few years behind but, like others have already stated, are catching up.

Most stores I’ve seen have ChargePoint, not EA or EVGo and while these chargers are technically DCFC, they are slower - at half the speed - and expensive. So option of last resort if you will.

Yep l2 charging on a plug in hybrid is fine, 10-12 hrs on any electric vehicle socks. Chargepoint seems cheaper, If I get super low I drive to work and charge but that being 45 mins away and being a remote works this is the last option.

I would love to see the big 3 get together here with a 3rd party and build what would be a Tesla location with 30 fast and ultra chargers in multiple locations.

 

[dmastro]

Yep l2 charging on a plug in hybrid is fine, 10-12 hrs on any electric vehicle socks. Chargepoint seems cheaper, If I get super low I drive to work and charge but that being 45 mins away and being a remote works this is the last option.

I would love to see the big 3 get together here with a 3rd party and build what would be a Tesla location with 30 fast and ultra chargers in multiple locations.

Tesla will be doing that for you. And as NACS becomes adopted by the other large charging companies will too. But not at dealerships.

Target and Walmart have been partnering quite frequently, do you have one of those nearby?

 

[smunro622]

Thanks everyone for chiming in...I think this goes to the comment Ford didn't think this out fully when they came to the market...one of the big reasons I didn't buy a tesla I had to drive 5 hrs to go pick it up as in MI you have to have service to have a dealership, and you have to have a dealership to sell new vehicles in MI.

 

[smunro622]

Tesla will be doing that for you. And as NACS becomes adopted by the other large charging companies will too. But not at dealerships.

Target and Walmart have been partnering quite frequently, do you have one of those nearby?

There are not Tesla chargers in Michigan, Michigan banned Tesla as Michigan law required vehicles be sold thru dealerships.Tesla is just now getting a service location in Michigan...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/tech/tesla-michigan/index.html

 

[GreaseMonkey]

I would love to see the big 3 get together here with a 3rd party and build what would be a Tesla location with 30 fast and ultra chargers in multiple locations.

The big three are Tesla, Rivian and Lucid now. New kids on the block.

 

[dmastro]

There are not Tesla chargers in Michigan, Michigan banned Tesla as Michigan law required vehicles be sold thru dealerships.Tesla is just now getting a service location in Michigan...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/22/tech/tesla-michigan/index.html

There are actually many in Michigan, perhaps not nearby you though.

Here’s a link to suggest one.
https://www.tesla.com/suggest-superchargers

 

[generaltso]

EVGo has not partnered with any manufacturer

GM partnered with EVgo.

 

[RickMachE]

Yep l2 charging on a plug in hybrid is fine, 10-12 hrs on any electric vehicle socks. Chargepoint seems cheaper, If I get super low I drive to work and charge but that being 45 mins away and being a remote works this is the last option.

I would love to see the big 3 get together here with a 3rd party and build what would be a Tesla location with 30 fast and ultra chargers in multiple locations.

You need to do some more research on charging networks, because your understanding is causing you to draw incorrect conclusions.

EA owns their network, determines the pricing, and is responsible for maintenance.

ChargePoint doesn't own the chargers, they don't determine the pricing, and are not responsible for maintenance.

The statement - ChargePoint seems cheaper - is inaccurate. In many cases, a ChargPoint DC fast charger costs more than EA.

 

[JRSNoVa]

Tesla will be doing that for you. And as NACS becomes adopted by the other large charging companies will too. But not at dealerships.

Having not heard anything from Ford for a while about dealer DCFCs, I'm starting to think they're going to use the Tesla/NACS deal to quietly back off of the dealer charger requirement to appease some of the more vocal critics.

 

[Auto Motive]

EA owns their chargers, and the revenue. They are in easily accessible parking lots open 24/7 - Walmart, Target, gas stations. Not car dealerships.

Ford dealers selling EVs will be have high speed chargers, as required by Ford, eventually.

None in our area but since we bought a new
Y superchargers are everwhere.

 

[smunro622]

You need to do some more research on charging networks, because your understanding is causing you to draw incorrect conclusions.

EA owns their network, determines the pricing, and is responsible for maintenance.

ChargePoint doesn't own the chargers, they don't determine the pricing, and are not responsible for maintenance.

The statement - ChargePoint seems cheaper - is inaccurate. In many cases, a ChargPoint DC fast charger costs more than EA.

Well I have the receipts .50 to .60 cents per kw on EVgo, Chargepoint is .50 per hr and they are 6.6 kw/hr. EA app says .48/kw hr when you pay per kw and .36 when you have the pass+ which has a $4 subscription per month.

L2 home charger peak summer charge is .20/kwhr

I have the receipts to compare is how I know I am comparing cost per kwhr.

It may be cheaper or more expensive depending on were you leave and if you have a TOU contract with your provider.

 

[RickMachE]

Well I have the receipts .50 to .60 cents per kw on EVgo, Chargepoint is .50 per hr and they are 6.6 kw/hr. EA app says .48/kw hr when you pay per kw and .36 when you have the pass+ which has a $4 subscription per month.

L2 home charger peak summer charge is .20/kwhr

I have the receipts to compare is how I know I am comparing cost per kwhr.

It may be cheaper or more expensive depending on were you leave and if you have a TOU contract with your provider.

ChargePoint costs differ at every charger. Some are per minute. Some are per kWh. Some are level 2, some are DC fast charging. EA has two rates - per kWh in most states, per minute in about a dozen states. All are DC fast charging. $4 fee reaches breakeven in 3 or less charges.

 

[smunro622]

ChargePoint costs differ at every charger. Some are per minute. Some are per kWh. Some are level 2, some are DC fast charging. EA has two rates - per kWh in most states, per minute in about a dozen states. All are DC fast charging. $4 fee reaches breakeven in 3 or less charges.

I get the comment there are a few free chargepoints that charge @~7kw/hr I have parked over night at. Chargepoint works just inconvenient and slower.

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