Is Ford still in the denial stage or have we moved on the acceptance stage??

[bp99]

Reading through here, I get the impression some people spend way too much time looking at a screen rather than the road in front of/around them. Ironically, those are the people that actually need the ADAS features the most, yet are insistent they don't want them.

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[ctenidae]

Yeah, it's not so much the location that annoys me, as the seemingly meaningless change which moved a useful piece of information to a, for some, less useful place. It was replaced with a useless, for some, car icon which provides information only under certain common, for some, circumstances.

The reasoning behind this change is of some interest to some people, myself included. I am curious as to what it fortells, for one thing- new IPC with customizable layouts? More sensor data? Wings?

I am also curious because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a process/engineering standpoint. Stepwise updates, getting things ready for the next rollout, I get. This just seems like a half step that doesn't do anything obvious. Not saying it's wrong, just I don't understand it and I'm curious what it means. It might be sloppy versioning, poor programming, bad management, or a set up for something really cool. The new layout might just have piggybacked on whatever the real point of the update was since it was ready and they may as well include it.

On top of that, it's interesting to me on the marketing side, highlighted by the conversation in this thread- a lot of people didn't even notice the change because of the settings they use. Did the software team figure most people wouldn't notice, so shove it through anyway? How right or wrong were they? A number of vocal people noticed quickly and voiced their displeasure. Are they representative, even if loud? Who, if anyone, inside Ford watches forums like this, and is there any connection to programming? Is it any good?

On the one hand yeah, it's not that big a deal and the haters should get over it. On the other, it is annoying and somewhat befuddling, so it's a topic of wortwhile, for some, conversation.

 

[Mache_Nor]

A minimap/nav, weather, driving mode details, distance of this trip, current song on radio, % throttle usage or WHATEVER would be nice to have there instead of this static car. Could be a one to three zone feature where you chose widgets / small images of information suitable for you. I live in a country which has banned BC due to safety regulations, thus it is such a waste of space for me.

 

[generaltso]

I’ve seen this mentioned a few times and starting to wonder is ‘obscured by the steering wheel’ a weak argument for something people dislike

I've been wondering the same thing. The location doesn't bother me, but I totally understand why some people dislike it. They prefer having the speedometer in the center, and didn't approve the decision for that to be changed in their car. But I can't for the life of me figure out how it would be obscured by the steering wheel. If somebody can post a picture of it being obscured, I'd like to see it.

In my opinion, people who don't like the change should stick to the argument that they shouldn't have to change their preference just because Ford decided to move it, which is a perfectly valid argument. When an argument is made that it's unsafe because the speed is obscured, it kinda loses credibility and is more likely to be dismissed as hyperbole.

 

[DennisD]

When I purchased my 2024 Toyota Prius Limited, I was not pleased that it did not have Heads Up Display (HUD) like my 2022 has. After driving it for a few miles it was no big deal because they put the display of the entire Dash Console higher up onto the dash as shown below. Now if the MME would do the same, all issues would be resolved.

 

[HuntingPudel]

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That's easy, you just need your headwind or tailwind component. Getting that piece of information is another story.
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Just a static pressure port, a pitot tube, a couple of pressure transducers, and software to calculate… ??

 

[HuntingPudel]

It sounds like a lot of people paid thousands more for their car than they should have since they don't use the safety features that they paid for. If I didn't want features that I wouldn't use, I would find a different car that didn't have the features that were unwanted and pay less. I try to use everything I pay for.

I just wanted Magneride, big brakes, and performance. I would have liked 360 cameras but Ford wouldn’t let me have them. I don’t care about BCHF. I got 2 out of the 3 that I wanted. Ford threw in a bonus performance limiter that I didn’t have to pay for. ??

 

[HuntingPudel]

Reading through here, I get the impression some people spend way too much time looking at a screen rather than the road in front of/around them. Ironically, those are the people that actually need the ADAS features the most, yet are insistent they don't want them.

I end up looking at the screen for too long because of the cranial gymnastics I have to prform in orfet to briefly check my speed. I do not mind one bit if the speedo is slightly off center. I mind that it is so far off center that it is partially obscured. In my T/A it takes less than a tenth of a second to look down and have engine speed, water temperature, oil pressure, and rear tire speed fully recognized. It takes much longer in order to move my head, look at the dash, then read the digital display in my GT-PE. It’s just bad UI/UX and it can easily be changed since there is so much unused space on the display. ??

And yes, I have lane keeping assist and following distance turned on. While I use those features, I still drive the car. ?‍?

 

[HuntingPudel]

I've been wondering the same thing. The location doesn't bother me, but I totally understand why some people dislike it. They prefer having the speedometer in the center, and didn't approve the decision for that to be changed in their car. But I can't for the life of me figure out how it would be obscured by the steering wheel. If somebody can post a picture of it being obscured, I'd like to see it.

In my opinion, people who don't like the change should stick to the argument that they shouldn't have to change their preference just because Ford decided to move it, which is a perfectly valid argument. When an argument is made that it's unsafe because the speed is obscured, it kinda loses credibility and is more likely to be dismissed as hyperbole.

It really is partially obscured for me. If Ford moved it a little to the left I would not complain about not being able to see it well without moving my head. Aesthetics are a different matter. I have been having to deal with it since I got the car since I have the assists turned on and have never driven with the speedo centered. ?‍?

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Counterpoint: We wouldn't have all these complaints if Ford did away with the center

? I would say that as a human driving my car, one of the more important things is seeing my ground speed front and central !

There are plenty of roads that I drive on where speed limit signs are few and far between, no lines on the road, variable conditions, and no car in front of me for adaptive cruise control to matter.

I don't have BC, I don't want it, and I wouldn't use it if you gave it to me. I hate the 'driver assist' alarms, especially the side and collision alerts that false-positive ding and blink and distract more than 'help'.

maybe, just maybe, the display can and should change depending what assistance you have on or off ?!

As a human driver, I want speed front and center, and other instrumentation like temperatures at key areas, and actual kW output/regen, and battery capacity remaining displayed in kWhr.

You're telling me that you wouldn't know approximately how fast you're going without the speedometer? That's scary.

Most sports car have the tach dead center, and the speedometer to the side, because the speedometer really isn't that important.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Just a static pressure port, a pitot tube, a couple of pressure transducers, and software to calculate… ??

And a meteorologist!

 

[generaltso]

It really is partially obscured for me.

Can you post a pic? I believe you, but can’t figure out what geometry would cause it to be blocked. I’ve moved my head way up and way down and moved the steering wheel in all directions, and I can’t get any part of the speedo to be blocked.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

If somebody can post a picture of it being obscured, I'd like to see it.

I have 3 hours of driving today (It’s a big island ?). If I remember, I’ll see if I can get a picture. It will need to be from my eye level with a similar field of vision and from my normal seat position.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the positioning of the seat and steering wheel is somewhat limited. there are only so many combinations that allow for comfortable operation.

 

[breeves002]

I do not understand why people hate this so much. Get over it! It's NOT HARD to see the speed on the right side.

From Feb 2021 when I got my first edition I have had the speed on the right side of the screen because I always keep the lane assistance on and use cruise control on almost every drive I take. I'm used to it and never turn lane assist off so I never see the speed in the center. Y'all should be leaving lane assistance on too honestly.

Side note, I hate how Ford separated the lane assist and lane centering buttons. There are roads I want lane assist on but centering off and I'm not going to go into the menu to turn off centering for that one road so I just turn off lane assistance completely.

People. You'll get used to it. This is a COMMON practice in modern cars as the center car display is for ADAS information for the driver. Sure, Ford doesn't do much with it now but holy cow people why are you so angry at something SO trivial?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

From Feb 2021 when I got my first edition I have had the speed on the right side of the screen because I always keep the lane assistance on and use cruise control on almost every drive I take. I'm used to it and never turn lane assist off so I never see the speed in the center. Y'all should be leaving lane assistance on too honestly.

Lane keeping and lane centering do not work on every road even those that meat the standards for its operation. Y’all should really read the thread.

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