Mach-E vs. 2023 Fisker Ocean - design, specs, price

[phil]

It seems like they should have a lot of IP around the design of the vehicles, and Magna just produced what Fisker designed. But who knows.

Yes, I think that's right. Mr. Fisker is a designer, and Magna is just a manufacturer. But is the design content of the Ocean or any other Fisker vehicle actually worth anything? I wouldn't think so.

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[IgorKl]

Yeah Fisker didn't really have IP of their own, apparently the vehicle was built by Magna, so what would Nissan really have been investing in? Nissan probably had no interest in investing in what is essentially Magna IP. Instead, they would be better off from a business standpoint letting Fisker go bankrupt, and they partnering with Magna after the fact paying pennies to license whatever IP they were previously licensing to Fisker.

Fisker should have a lot of IP and Magna only production partner (also owns part of Fisker). Nissan has history of EVs design and production - I absolutely do not understand their interest in Fisker. I found one article that Nissan my look at Alaska as next EV Nissan truck, but I highly doubt it

 

[mkhuffman]

Yes, I think that's right. Mr. Fisker is a designer, and Magna is just a manufacturer. But is the design content of the Ocean or any other Fisker vehicle actually worth anything? I wouldn't think so.

The hard part is building cars profitably. Designing something cool is relatively easy. So unless they have some valuable patents around some new technology they designed, I agree with you. There isn't much value there.

I am not aware of some amazing breakthrough they patented. Maybe the solar roof? That's weak for sure. Others have done it before.

 

[generaltso]

hope you are joking.

I hope you're joking about thinking he might not be joking.

 

[TheSteelRider]

I hope you're joking about thinking he might not be joking.

I hear you, and THAT is no joke

 

[thecodingart]

Given Fisker is in preparation of filing bankruptcy and has delisted their vehicles for sale (It seems this was in preparation for this: https://electrek.co/2024/03/27/fisker-slashes-msrp-ocean-trims-fights-to-stay-in-business/) — that may make this thread a moot point.

Most of this was unsurprising given the history of Fisker (this is their second run — with a bankruptcy filing), and their financial reserve had no wiggle room unlike Lucid and Rivian.

The Ocean was an interesting vehicle, although I have not heard positive commentary regarding the software or interior quality.

 

[LincolnLuvr]

Given Fisker is in preparation of filing bankruptcy and has delisted their vehicles for sale (It seems this was in preparation for this: https://electrek.co/2024/03/27/fisker-slashes-msrp-ocean-trims-fights-to-stay-in-business/) — that may make this thread a mute point.

Most of this was unsurprising given the history of Fisker (this is their second run — with a bankruptcy filing), and their financial reserve had no wiggle room unlike Lucid and Rivian.

The Ocean was an interesting vehicle, although I have not heard positive commentary regarding the software or interior quality.

*moot*

Now $24k is a substantial decrease on the Ocean Extreme. I'm curious if it will help Fisker stay afloat.

 

[tmrqs]

*moot*

Now $24k is a substantial decrease on the Ocean Extreme. I'm curious if it will help Fisker stay afloat.

Definitely a significant drop, but that still remains a relatively expensive car.

Who would risk buying one now knowing the company may go under? What would that mean for warranty, fixes and updates in the coming years?

Grim prospect.

 

[awp0]

I think you'd be insane to take a risk on Fisker right now, no matter how deeply they discount the Ocean. Honestly the whole situation feels more and more like a scam at this point.

 

[tmrqs]

I think you'd be insane to take a risk on Fisker right now, no matter how deeply they discount the Ocean. Honestly the whole situation feels more and more like a scam at this point.

Don’t think it qualifies as a scam, they’re just fighting for survival… crappy place to be in.

 

[awp0]

Don’t think it qualifies as a scam, they’re just fighting for survival… crappy place to be in.

I agree that it likely doesn't qualify as a scam. But it's not far from it, and likely depends on what they know and what they're disclosing to potential customers. For example, what if they are knowingly selling cars that they are 90% sure they won't be able to support, so that they can pay their executives and creditors for another month or two? Is that ethical? The company being delisted from the stock exchange.

 

[Mach1E]

I agree that it likely doesn't qualify as a scam. But it's not far from it, and likely depends on what they know and what they're disclosing to potential customers. For example, what if they are knowingly selling cars that they are 90% sure they won't be able to support, so that they can pay their executives and creditors for another month or two? Is that ethical? The company being delisted from the stock exchange.

It’s one thing to buy a Saab on their way out knowing you may have to figure out mechanical failures later.

But with these cars so dependent on software, you may end up with a bricked car from software that’s impossible to fix.

 

[MellowJohnny]

It’s one thing to buy a Saab on their way out knowing you may have to figure out mechanical failures later.

But with these cars so dependent on software, you may end up with a bricked car from software that’s impossible to fix.

I had the exact same thought. I would not touch a Fisker regardless of price.

With actual software vendors there is usually a clause in their contracts that stipulates licenses holders get a copy of the source code should they cease operations, so at least you have a fighting chance of fixing things in the future. This is way beyond that. Plus the "installed base" would be tiny.

 

[IgorKl]

I hope you're joking about thinking he might not be joking.

it looks like he has a great ideas, but his attempts to move to profitable business failed twice. BTW, Fisker + Apple would be very interesting team, but I'm afraid that Apple gave up on Apple mobile. right now Ocean prices are superb, but .... who would like to risk to buy car from Company that is on brick of disappearance?

 

[phil]

it looks like he has a great ideas...

Does he? Can you name one good idea he has ever had?

The guy bounced around the industry as an employee of various companies, designing luxury cars for 20 years. Now he fancies himself a businessman, but all three of his independent ventures failed miserably. He might be a competent designer, or a nice guy, or maybe he's kind to animals. But I have seen no indication that Mr. Fisker is an idea man.

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