Tesla Lays Off Entire Supercharger Team [Update: Musk says supercharger growth will continue] ** WARNING: NO POLITICS***

[Tha_Ape]

I also have no doubt that Tesla would knock other EV manufacturers off their network without notice. The adapters would just stop working, or the cars wouldn't be recognized by their system.

Nah, they don't mind money flowing in. No reason to do that. They may up the rates to "highway robbery" levels though

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[Tha_Ape]

I'm terrified that the US space program relies on SpaceX, one day he decides to give it all to Russia or just gets bored with it and destroys the whole thing.

Sorry if it's too political for your taste.

There are other launch providers. SpaceX is very good though. Don't mix up the CEO with the actual companies. SpaceX has done some amazing stuff. NASA doesn't have the risk tolerance that a private company can. If NASA blew up a rocket like Starship, the rest would be grounded for a year (because it's tax payer dollars) SpaceX can just blow up another one.

As much as the CEO is off putting, SpaceX has really done some amazing things.

RocketLab is another up and coming launch provider. FYI

 

[Dear_OP]

Perhaps Tesla SCs have no reached a saturation point. Combined with 3rd party charging companies adopting NACS, there is no real need to further develop Tesla SC anymore. That baton will not be passed on to these 3rd party providers where Tesla will enjoy receiving royalties going forward. This might be its goal all along.

I foresee Tesla licensing FSD to other automakers too.

 

[TheSteelRider]

I foresee Tesla licensing FSD to other automakers too.

I have seen a good amount of people surmise that as well, but I don't really agree (don't worry, that's OK we can disagree and still be friends!). Their vision-only approach is basically make-it-or-break it. I'm definitely not an expert, just a keyboard warrior, but it seems like people in the industry believe that cheaper Lidar is the only real way forward for a competent self-driving system. And, again being the non-expert in the room but having at least some common sense, I would agree.

Elon's argument is that humans navigate with only eyes and a brain so cars can too. I mean, I guess so but in the U.S. something like 30 thousand people die per year in car accidents so maybe not the best system? Oh well, like I said what do I know. Maybe it's not the fault of vision but of the brain

 

[EELinneman]

There are other launch providers. SpaceX is very good though. Don't mix up the CEO with the actual companies. SpaceX has done some amazing stuff. NASA doesn't have the risk tolerance that a private company can. If NASA blew up a rocket like Starship, the rest would be grounded for a year (because it's tax payer dollars) SpaceX can just blow up another one.

As much as the CEO is off putting, SpaceX has really done some amazing things.

RocketLab is another up and coming launch provider. FYI

SpaceX has changed the way rockets are done here in the US. I was involved in a payload that was on the Challenger when I worked for TRW. That set back the program for at least 5 years and for reasons that should have been identified and resolved in 1984. NASA has a level of complexity and depth of overhead that is not viable in the commercial world.

The real advantage that SpaceX has is the economics of putting a kilo into orbit. If they can translate this to Starship, they win for the next 10 to 20 years.

 

[AlpaChino]

Out of Spec addressing this issue:

Yet another OOS video about 25 minutes too long.

 

[KevinS]

Nah, they don't mind money flowing in. No reason to do that. They may up the rates to "highway robbery" levels though

The guy who told advertisers who didn't want to be on X any more to "go f*ck themselves" at a conference interview with Andrew Ross Sorkin doesn't inspire confidence that he's too worried about the financial impact of his actions.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/29/elo...trying-to-blackmail-him-go-f----yourself.html

 

[ChasingCoral]

Tesla very well may be a footnote in the history of EVs (much like Lotus 123 and personal computer software).

 

[azerik]

Well, looks like all charging networks will have the same reliability Soon.

 

[Blue highway]

How many have looked into the status of their State’s NEVI funded projects? Sure the use of the SuperCharger network is an instant fix but shouldn’t quite a few NEVI sites be coming on-line in the next 12 months? That should also take up a lot of the congestion. I know here in Alaska that we are getting around 9 sites in the next year, a few this summer, although I would assume the Tesla equipped sites may be in doubt at this time.

NEVI in Oregon has built zero chargers... in full implementation it will build a few dozen total charge cables (only 4 chargers at a site)... NEVI is so bad it is irrelevant.

 

[Blue highway]

Tesla very well may be a footnote in the history of EVs (much like Lotus 123 and personal computer software).

with decisions along the lines of the Cybertruck and building, then crippling the SC network they will not be forgotten. but will not be thought of fondly.

 

[Blue highway]

others will step up for sure... not just for EVs, but in cooperation with utilities.

My prediction is that the 'next generation' of L3 chargers will be installed in conjunction with big battery banks to enable storage+passthru during solar surplus time (10am-3pm) when energy will be cheap, and have 300-500 kWhr stored up to either sell as EV charge sessions in the evenings, or sell back to local utilities at night when TOU rates will be higher than daytime rates as more renewables come on line.

Utilities are already looking for ways to provide loads to charge and control batteries during solar hours and sell at peak rates in the evening.

between L3 chargers w internal battery buffers, and EVs at home with (future) 2-way chargers .... EVs are the best 'double use' energy storage I see coming the quickest to improve Grid stability and soak up day-time surplus

I'm not so confident anybody will step up... Consider the NEVI fiasco.

 

[Blue highway]

Perhaps Tesla SCs have no reached a saturation point. Combined with 3rd party charging companies adopting NACS, there is no real need to further develop Tesla SC anymore. That baton will not be passed on to these 3rd party providers where Tesla will enjoy receiving royalties going forward. This might be its goal all along.

I foresee Tesla licensing FSD to other automakers too.

So lets see... Tesla wants to keep selling new cars... at the rate of ~700K per year. In total there are ~1.5M new EVs sold in the US every year. lots of new cars, few if any new chargers... In one or two years, the lines at chargers will make driving outside your home bubble a distant memory.

Saturation?... no.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Yet another OOS video about 25 minutes too long.

Considering your comment is on page 8 of this thread, the video's not the only thing that's gone on too long. ?

 

[Billyk24]

Tesla very well may be a footnote in the history of EVs (much like Lotus 123 and personal computer software).

Who has the means to purchase Tesla? A company that continues to dominate the EV space in North America.

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