Mach E 2023, Brand New - any risk?

[Mach-Lee]

That's said, can i guess what is battery degradation by knowing the range if charged to 100%. I can ask the dealer to fully charge to see the charge, if this is within 90% of the original range - would it mean it's sort of ok? Or i am misunderstanding some part of the fully charged battery? Thanks

The range behavior at 100% varies depending on the software level and battery temperature. You can try it and see, but if the range is lower than EPA it may or may not be because of degradation.

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[Tomm]

I bought a 2023.5 3 months ago and love it.

 

[George Knighton]

The original poster is worrying too much and some of you are making it worse.

The car will be fine in all likelihood. Just check it out the same way you’d decide on any other car.

The accessory battery is under warranty and not a major concern.

In the States, the advantage to the earlier 2023 cars is 3 years of BlueCruise.

The advantage to the later 2023 cars is a simpler HVAC system with a more powerful heater.

My early 2023 has been perfect since November purchase.

 

[rreddy3]

Hello; sorry it's me again; visited my local Ford yesterday and it's tempting to buy 2023 Mach E (brand new, 70km only; thus a decent discount). So apparently it's been sitting on their lot for 1-1.5 years, thru the winter in Calgary; not clear if the car has been ever (or regularly) charged during this period.

I hope there are experts here who can help understand if makes sense to buy this car or never touch (for example the battery was impacted severely; or some glitches etc). I will insure the software will be up to date; but anything else?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I bought a 23.5 on March 21, 2024. My car was built second week of July, 2023. It was delivered to the dealer late first week/or second week of August. I would guess most cars in NA any distance from Mexico were likely in transit for 2-3 +/- weeks to the dealer.

The dealer installed a new 12v battery in my car a couple of weeks prior to my purchase. I know this from a carfax report. The dealer in question signs buyers up for carfax reports. I didn’t know this until I received the carfax email saying it was compliments of the dealer. Interestingly this install was right around the time I started shopping local dealers. The car had about 35 miles/60km on the odo when I took delivery. A third more or less of it my 2 test drives.

I have not done a formal HVB state of health diagnostic. But I can tell you I have had no issues charging and although the estimated range is not a substitute for a SoH readout, my estimated ranges are very good.

I absolutely love the car. Premium 4 X range. Quiet, smooth, quick. And beautiful styling inside and out IMO. I have no significant complaints about the car. A couple of minor quibbles but everyone has a few about every car.

There are regional sub groups including one for Canada on the forum. An inquiry on the CDN subgroup might help answer some of your questions that are more specific to regional weather, use, concerns.

Good luck with your decision making. If you get a MME I hope your experience is as good as many of us have had.

 

[garyd9]

The advantage to the later 2023 cars is a simpler HVAC system with a more powerful heater.

Does the 2023.5 really get a bigger heater? My impression of this post by @Mach-Lee (https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/2023-5-cooling-system-redesign-and-larger-7-kw-heater.34305/), is that only the cars with LFP batteries got a larger battery - meaning only standard battery selects/premiums. The OP doesn't specify which trim (or if it's extended or standard range.)

 

[RickMachE]

That's said, can i guess what is battery degradation by knowing the range if charged to 100%. I can ask the dealer to fully charge to see the charge, if this is within 90% of the original range - would it mean it's sort of ok? Or i am misunderstanding some part of the fully charged battery? Thanks

No.

Many buy vehicles that sit on lots. My Lightning was a year. If you are this anxious before buying, you maynot be ready for an EV. Have you evaluated your winter use carefully?

 

[Mike G]

Sorry, knowing what I know now...I would never buy a "new" MME or Lightning that has a build date from over a year ago with a laundry list of available software showing in FDRS.......because nobody, (not Ford, and certainly not the dealer) is willing to deliver a vehicle to the customer at sale time that is truly as up to date as it can possible be.

Updates listed in FDRS should not be considered 'optional'. Engineers and coders and testers went to some effort to correct deficiencies by diagnosing, crafting, testing, certifying, and posting updates to the Ford servers for problems that have been discovered. No updates are posted to FDRS that went through that whole process because a bunch of folks had some free time on their hands and thought it might be fun to push out an update.

Getting a commitment from the sales and service staff to completely update every single outstanding available software showing in FDRS isn't a requirement, but you know what? I think it should be...and the dealers, in cooperation with Ford, should make that part of their commitment to the customer. As in, "You're getting the most up-to-date car we can possibly deliver."

 

[garyd9]

Updates listed in FDRS should not be considered 'optional'. Engineers and coders and testers went to some effort to correct deficiencies by diagnosing, crafting, testing, certifying, and posting updates to the Ford servers for problems that have been discovered. No updates are posted to FDRS that went through that whole process because a bunch of folks had some free time on their hands and thought it might be fun to push out an update.

With all due respect, I disagree with you. As the owner of a job 1 2023 with powerup 5.1.1 firmware, I have very mixed emotions about Ford getting around to pushing OTAs to my car. Sadly, it appears that Ford software developers aren't as anal retentive about pushing bug free firmware as they should be - so getting those OTAs might be as much a curse as a blessing.

I currently have one "flaw" that I've read would be fixed by an OTA (regarding the liftgate button requiring two presses.) However, every other aspect of my car works as far as I'm aware. I haven't had any stray idiot lights, my 1PD works, I can do L2 charging without a hitch, and so on. I can even have my speedometer on the center of the IPC. Having that tiny issue with the liftgate, but no other problems, is a Very Happy situation for me. I might be missing plug and charge, or telsa related stuff. I don't have an adapter, so I wouldn't know.

I've read too many threads of people getting updated to 6.x and suddenly things aren't working just right. For those people, it's a massive waiting game of hoping that the new OTA (that might fix an issue - or might not) gets pushed to them.

(As a result of this message, I'll likely find my car was updated to 6.8 or something this morning, despite my having OTAs turned off.)

 

[Mach1E]

Everyone else already covered the things to check, so let’s talk about that “good deal.”

How much of a discount are we talking?

I would go look at what a low mileage USED 2023 is selling for and would pay $2k more than that and not a penny more. Because that’s about what it’s worth.

 

[George Knighton]

Does the 2023.5 really get a bigger heater?

I cannot swear to it. I might not be remembering correctly what the lead engineer said, but I think I got her right.

If you go back farther than that, you can think about what she and Munro were saying and where the changes were going. It did not sound at that time like she was limiting the changes to the short range models.

Not sure why the changes would be limited to the short range models, thinking about the physical design of the HVAC system.

 

[garyd9]

Not sure why the changes would be limited to the short range models, thinking about the physical design of the HVAC system.

If my reading is correct (and that's a big "if"), the heater change is specifically for the LFP batteries, apparently because they struggle more in colder temps.

 

[ElviBel]

Everyone else already covered the things to check, so let’s talk about that “good deal.”

How much of a discount are we talking?

I would go look at what a low mileage USED 2023 is selling for and would pay $2k more than that and not a penny more. Because that’s about what it’s worth.

It's decent discount; and there are not many used MME in Calgary. Besides-i like warranty

 

[zvez]

Hello; sorry it's me again; visited my local Ford yesterday and it's tempting to buy 2023 Mach E (brand new, 70km only; thus a decent discount). So apparently it's been sitting on their lot for 1-1.5 years, thru the winter in Calgary; not clear if the car has been ever (or regularly) charged during this period.

I hope there are experts here who can help understand if makes sense to buy this car or never touch (for example the battery was impacted severely; or some glitches etc). I will insure the software will be up to date; but anything else?

Thanks in advance for your help.

I think I'd be concerned about the summer tires which your car is probably equipped with, these can degrade due to low temps even if not used. https://www.tirerack.com/upgrade-garage/can-i-drive-summer-performance-tires-in-cold-temperatures

I'd probably push for tire replacement with an all season

 

[zvez]

Omg.... "check the tires for rot?" On a 1.5 year old car???? C'mon.....

pzero summer tires degrade even if not used, if they're exposed to too cold temps https://www.tirerack.com/upgrade-garage/can-i-drive-summer-performance-tires-in-cold-temperatures

 

[garyd9]

From the image of the ad the OP posted...

It's a STANDARD range select. It has the LFP battery (and therefore bigger heater, but that battery type hates cold.) It's a 2023.5 (job 2.)

Unless the CA cars are spec'd differently, that implies RWD, all season tires, no free EVSE.

If someone is able/willing to check FDRS, the vin is 3FMTK1S54PMB00465.

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