Mach-e for Road Trips just sucks. Not even close. More expensive than gas

[Mach1E]

I'll make it so simple even you can understand.

let's take 100 new car buyers. According to a Gallup poll 7% are likely to be EV buyers. Now, for arguments sake let's say those 7 EV buyers all have college degrees. That 100% of the EV buyers have college degrees. But only 54% (using your number) of the other type of vehicle drivers have college degrees.

Now to prove my unbiased point, let's say none of the EV buyers have college degrees. That means that 54% of other vehicle buyers are college educated as opposed to 0% of the EV drivers

So you see, just stating that 54% of new car buyers have college degrees in no way proves only 54% of EV drivers do or don't have college degrees. Recess!

"WASHINGTON, D.C. [4/8/24] -- Seven percent of Americans, up from 4% a year ago, report that they own an electric vehicle."
https://news.gallup.com/poll/643334/ownership-ticks-fewer-nonowners-buy-one.aspx

Neat hypothetical, but you’re just making stuff up at this point.

Do you think a disproportionate amount of college educated car shoppers don’t end up buying cars?

If anything the college degree car “shoppers” are more likely to have higher income and better credit which would give them the ability to convert from a “shopper” to a “buyer.”

But it’s also just a guess and further proof we are using incomplete data to draw conclusions.

Which means we can only draw one conclusion- the data is inconclusive.

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[Old_Norm]

A few percent. Like it is whenever we extrapolate ANY survey in a country of 300+ million people. ?‍

You seem really passionate about some random stat we have incomplete data on. Not sure why this matters so much to you.

Everyone else here seems to understand that when it comes to EV owners and college degrees….. the data we have is outdated and incomplete.

Why do you sound so sure of yourself with outdated and incomplete data?

You said, "Why do you sound so sure of yourself with outdated and incomplete data?"

Is June 2024 outdated to you?

"Those with higher education, particularly bachelor’s and graduate degrees, show a greater propensity to buy an electric car. In contrast, individuals with only a high school education or less are more likely to reject the idea of an EV. This suggests that educational attainment may influence awareness and acceptance of new technologies."
https://climatecrisis247.com/news/w...ducation, particularly,to buy an electric car.

 

[Mach1E]

Oh please. Your whole argument relies on the Margin of Error and you can only guess at what it is. Please tell me how you arrived at "a few precent". You can't and we both know it. It was a guess.

I never claimed it was anything more than a guess. I’ve been saying that for a while now.

But I’m not going to explain basis statistics to you. You can google the margin of error formula yourself and see what it takes to get the margin low with a massive population.

Are you really this desperate to try to put yourself in some sort of “social elite?”

There is literally nothing special about EV owners. We are just regular people at this point. As prices came down and adoption rates increased, EVs are just regular cars with regular cer

 

[Mach1E]

You said, "Why do you sound so sure of yourself with outdated and incomplete data?"

Is June 2024 outdated to you?

"Those with higher education, particularly bachelor’s and graduate degrees, show a greater propensity to buy an electric car. In contrast, individuals with only a high school education or less are more likely to reject the idea of an EV. This suggests that educational attainment may influence awareness and acceptance of new technologies."
https://climatecrisis247.com/news/who-is-buying-electric-vehicles-the-answers-may-surprise-you/#:~:text=Those with higher education, particularly,to buy an electric car.

Sigh…..

You can make the identical statement about gas powered cars. Why? Because more than 50% of car shoppers have a college degree!

This is just another example of using incomplete data to try to prove a narrative.

Did they give us the stats on the college education levels of all car shoppers or those who only buy gas powered cars? Of course not.

1 data point without another to compare it to is meaningless.

100% of people who drink water die.
100% of people who don’t drink water die.

Both statements are true. And totally meaningless without more data.

 

[Old_Norm]

Neat hypothetical, but you’re just making stuff up at this point.

Do you think a disproportionate amount of college educated car shoppers don’t end up buying cars?

If anything the college degree car “shoppers” are more likely to have higher income and better credit which would give them the ability to convert from a “shopper” to a “buyer.”

But it’s also just a guess and further proof we are using incomplete data to draw conclusions.

Which means we can only draw one conclusion- the data is inconclusive.

Of course it a guess, duh. But either scenario proves that you can't use a stat like 54% of car buyers having college degrees to predict the number of EV drivers having college degrees. use your logic instead of your agenda.
See post #327 to educate yourself on who buys EVs.

 

[Old_Norm]

Sigh…..

You can make the identical statement about gas powered cars. Why? Because more than 50% of car shoppers have a college degree!

This is just another example of using incomplete data to try to prove a narrative.

Did they give us the stats on the college education levels of all car shoppers or those who only buy gas powered cars? Of course not.

1 data point without another to compare it to is meaningless.

100% of people who drink water die.
100% of people who don’t drink water die.

Both statements are true. And totally meaningless without more data.

When you ignore data by independent sources you are just wasting bandwidth to prove a point. So provide me one independent source, just one, that makes "...the identical statement about gas powered cars."

 

[Mach1E]

Of course it a guess, duh. But either scenario proves that you can't use a stat like 54% of car buyers having college degrees to predict the number of EV drivers having college degrees. use your logic instead of your agenda.
See post #327 to educate yourself on who buys EVs.

It’s 57% of car buyers.

And yeah, you can’t use that stat to guess what % buy EV…… since only about 7% buy EV.

But you CAN use that stat to guess how that information matters to the other 93% of cars purchased.

And that’s what we did. Used it to determine that if 57% of all car shoppers have college degrees and 93% of cars purchased are ICE…… the number of ICE purchasers with college degrees will be near 57%

Or at least near enough to be within the margin of error of your 54% number for EVs.

 

[Mach1E]

When you ignore data by independent sources you are just wasting bandwidth to prove a point. So provide me one independent source, just one, that makes "...the identical statement about gas powered cars."

They don’t make those statements about gas powered cars because they don’t have to.

Theyre 93% of the market. IE “everyone else.”

And I gave you the data for everyone, it’s 57%. And we got the data for the general population of people age 25-64.

Bottom line? ALL the numbers are in the mid 50% range.

Which means that NONE of these groups are “special” when it comes to college degrees. Sounds like an average mix of people.

FWIW if you’re bored you actually CAN calculate the margin of error on this problem-

If 57% of car shoppers have college degrees and 93% of cars purchased are gas powered, What percent of purchasers of gas powered cars will be purchased by people with college degrees?

Would also be a simple problem they would give you in the first few weeks of a stats class.

 

[Space_Pony]

What does all of that have to do with this thread. You don't have to go to college to know that a road trip is costly when electrons are $.60/kwh at the dcfc. It would be cheaper with my previous hybrid at today's election year prices on fuel.

 

[Old_Norm]

"If 57% of car shoppers have college degrees and 93% of cars purchased are gas powered, What percent of purchasers of gas powered cars will be purchased by people with college degrees?"

Pay attention I already said it could be 57% (Post #324). But that doesn't tell you what percentage of EV buyers have college degrees. it could 100% or zero %. The whole population of your data has the 57% attribute, But that doesn't mean a subset of that population (EV buyers) has the 57% attribute. I'll bet you think you can't drown in a lake whose average dept is 6".

Now stop digressing and post an independent source that states: "Those with higher education, particularly bachelor’s and graduate degrees, show a greater propensity to buy an electric car." for gas powered cars. You said it could be made. So prove it.

 

[leeman]

After 30k, I finally did my first road trip in my Mach-e (Houston to Dallas and back, leave Friday, back Saturday)

253 miles. Cost was $0.14 at my house, and $0.56 at each of 3 EA stops I had to make. Total cost $48. 133 kWh used. Efficiency was 1.9 - wow.
Stopped twice in Ennis, TX Walmart - 3 of 4 chargers out of service - had to wait for the 1 working one. Total time 75 minutes.
On the way home, had to wait again for the 1 working charger, total wait time 90 minutes.
Third stop was a little better (Huntsville), 3 of 4 working, but 1 was 30kWhr only ... I got the high speed, wait 20 minutes.

If I drive my F150, range is 550 miles, so NO stops, and gas at US$2.60 a gallon, cost is $43 - $5 LESS than the EV.

Just wow - I get it why people don't want to buy EVs. I am lucky, it's my 2nd car, and I love my Mach-e for getting around town, but these Public Chargers are a joke.

Peace

Yep California costs are nuts.

 

[Mach1E]

"If 57% of car shoppers have college degrees and 93% of cars purchased are gas powered, What percent of purchasers of gas powered cars will be purchased by people with college degrees?"

Pay attention I already said it could be 57% (Post #324). But that doesn't tell you what percentage of EV buyers have college degrees. it could 100% or zero %. The whole population of your data has the 57% attribute, But that doesn't mean a subset of that population (EV buyers) has the 57% attribute. I'll bet you think you can't drown in a lake whose average dept is 6".

Now stop digressing and post an independent source that states: "Those with higher education, particularly bachelor’s and graduate degrees, show a greater propensity to buy an electric car." for gas powered cars. You said it could be made. So prove it.

Didn’t say there was another source that would say that.

Just said that it “could be said” about ICE vehicles as well.

It’s a meaningless generic statement without supporting data except that more than 50% have degrees. And the “more than 50% with degrees” is not unique to EV buyers.

Here is the same true statement that I’ll make myself-
“People with college degrees are more likely to buy a gas powered car than those without a degree.”

The reason my statement above and the one you quoted don’t mean anything is that they’re comparing people with degrees vs people without. NOT people who buy EV vs ICE.

 

[Old_Norm]

Didn’t say there was another source that would say that.

Just said that it “could be said” about ICE vehicles as well.

It’s a meaningless generic statement without supporting data except that more than 50% have degrees. And the “more than 50% with degrees” is not unique to EV buyers.

Here is the same true statement that I’ll make myself-
“People with college degrees are more likely to buy a gas powered car than those without a degree.”

The reason my statement above and the one you quoted don’t mean anything is that they’re comparing people with degrees vs people without. NOT people who buy EV vs ICE.

Gee, you didn't comment on the first half of that post. Understandable, because it shows the fallacy of your 57% argument.

Tell me why the following statement is false (it isn't by the way).

57% of new car buyers have college degrees 7% percent of new car buyers buy EVs. Of that seven percent 100% to zero% could have college degrees.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Didn’t say there was another source that would say that.

Just said that it “could be said” about ICE vehicles as well.

It’s a meaningless generic statement without supporting data except that more than 50% have degrees. And the “more than 50% with degrees” is not unique to EV buyers.

Here is the same true statement that I’ll make myself-
“People with college degrees are more likely to buy a gas powered car than those without a degree.”

The reason my statement above and the one you quoted don’t mean anything is that they’re comparing people with degrees vs people without. NOT people who buy EV vs ICE.

The ignore function works wonders for conversations that get dully repetitive.

 

[Sikkun]

What does all of that have to do with this thread. You don't have to go to college to know that a road trip is costly when electrons are $.60/kwh at the dcfc. It would be cheaper with my previous hybrid at today's election year prices on fuel.

It still generally comes out cheaper than my previous vehicle when you factor charging much cheaper to 100% before and after. AKA less DC charging needed than fuel stops.

But apparently two people really want to solve if people are or are not too stupid to own EVs.

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