Edmunds: Mach E vs. Tesla Model Y comparison review

[DBC]

Umm......there are tons of youtubers that did real world range tests with the Model Y and some that have gotten their hands on the Mach-E and the range on the Mach-E was definitely worse than the EPA and lower than the actual real world numbers of the Model Y. Do your research my friend. Tons of youtubers have done these tests already. Which is why this 1 Edmunds article stating the complete opposite is fishy.

Your statement of the problem demonstrates you don't understand the issue. Depending on the drive cycle of course the MME might get less than its EPA range, depending on what EPA range you choose as a benchmark.

The only fact we have is that Tesla's EPA ranges are always flights of fantasy. This means the issue isn't whether on a drive cycle the MME will underperform its EPA range, it's by how much more the Model Y will underperform its EPA range.

Your ridiculous claims to the contrary notwithstanding, that's unknown at this point. However, we know enough about the Tesla EPA numbers to know that the Model Y will not get 56 more miles of range than the MME AWD Ext. Will it get 10 more miles? Maybe. Will it get 10 less miles? Maybe. Time will tell. Sooner or later someone will take them out together at the same time and run them on the same course. Then we'll have a better idea.

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[pt19713]

I don't know if you're serious or a troll.

 

[Chiefsfan]

Tesla doesn't wait to implement the new batteries. The exterior & interior refreshes don't occur often but when there's a larger battery and/or a newer battery designed, it gets implemented at any time. Tesla won't wait to implement the 4680 battery cell. It'll essentially give the current cars that have the 78 kWh battery packs approximately 130 kWh assuming the same dimensions for the pack is used.

I'm sure Ford is working on the next battery but the MME probably won't see anything for 1-2+ years, if not longer.

i would anticipate that there would some reduction in battery pack size to reduce manufacturing cost.

 

[Chiefsfan]

I would say that after seeing the model s refresh that I bet the next model y refresh is going to blow other suvs out the water.

In 3 or 4 years. Although with competition, Tesla may have to up their game on interior finish sooner.

 

[pt19713]

i would anticipate that there would some reduction in battery pack size to reduce manufacturing cost.

It's too soon to know. Only Tesla has a rough idea what the estimated manufacturing cost would be. Based upon what is known about the 4680 cell, it will be cheaper to manufacturer due to the tabless design so the costs could be a wash. If everything they say about the 4680 cell is true, I would expect Tesla to put in at least a 100 kWh pack in their long range models, which would allow them to market the cars with 400+ miles of range in the 3 and Y.

 

[pt19713]

In 3 or 4 years. Although with competition, Tesla may have to up their game on interior finish sooner.

and the panel gaps lol

 

[ab13]

Ford has reached their target range by using a larger battery at the expense of cost and extra weight. In a few years Ford will come out with something better and more efficient, as will everyone else. Innovation will never stop. It's completely pointless to argue and bad mouth either product. At the end of the day, does it really matter. People that bought a Ford bought it for a reason. People that bought a Tesla bought it for a reason. For the most part, we're not swaying anyone's opinion on their purchase.

I agree with what you are saying, Ford and Tesla had completely different goals in mind.

The original shape for Ford was the green line, then they changed to the Mustang styled red outline, because they put styling and function/features ahead of efficiency. I'm sure the original shape would have been more efficient. Tesla puts efficiency ahead of functions/features and styling, letting efficiency dictate shape.

https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/7kwYp/s3/2020-ford-mustang-mach-e-sketch.jpg

I think Ford studied the general sales market, large trucks with the worst efficiency are the best selling vehicles, Chevy couldn't sell many Bolts due to the style and price of vehicle it is, and even the most efficient vehicle at the time, Toyota Prius, didn't sell more than similar class Corolla or Honda Civic. In other words, the general pubic will commonly put styling, features, and brand ahead of efficiency. Most people don't even know what's "under the hood," they were concerned about the car color first.

 

[pt19713]

Who wouldn't want more efficiency in a BEV?

If the MME were to achieve the 262 wh/mi efficiency with my real world miles, that'd give the MME 339 miles of range with the 88.8 kWh pack.

 

[Mirak]

The whole MME v MY debate seems very reminiscent of the Ford Fusion Hybrid vs Prius debate.

About 10 years ago, I decided it was finally time to go hybrid.Toyota had been doing it for several years with the Prius, but Ford had this brand new FFH. I was all set on the Prius (3rd Gen) because of its superior MPG. Then I test drive it and was thoroughly unimpressed. The driving was wooden, the interior was cheap. I could feel the sacrifices made for that extra MPG. So I went with the FFH because it was way more fun to drive, and that turned out to be an excellent choice. It is still my daily driver over 10 years later and it will remain so until I get my MME.

I’ll take Tesla’s word that the MY is more efficient. I don’t care. The MME has too many advantages, from price to appearance to drivers side instrument cluster. And did I mention it looks a hell of a lot nicer?

The one huge advantage Tesla currently has is its Supercharger network, which does matter for the road trips I will occasionally take. But I expect Ford to catch up quickly given the investment it is making in EVs. But I just don’t care about the stats on post about slightly better efficiency, horsepower, etc. They’re just numbers on a page.

Finally, Tesla has one more similarity to the Prius: their owners have a certain zeal that seems to place a high priority on the message being sent by “driving a Tesla.”

 

[pt19713]

Why not both? Large battery & efficient, or large battery and faster charging speeds from 10% all through 80%? Personally, I'd still prefer an EV with more efficiency and a slightly smaller battery because of the lower weight. Just my preference.

 

[pt19713]

So you wouldn't want the MME to be more efficient with a lower battery cost and weight?

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