Edmunds: Mach E vs. Tesla Model Y comparison review

[silverelan]

How long did it take for the model S to get this refresh? Didn't the Y just come out? By that time, I would guess Tesla won't be the lone leader of the pack. There will be crap loads of other manufacturers and models to compete against. And each will have it's strengths and weaknesses.

It's possible that future EU-manufactured 3/Y vehicles with the new tabless cells will have new EV-specific advantages over the 2021 MME. Who's to say the midcycle refresh of the MME won't also be better?

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[kikibop]

rear cargo capacity of the Y is without the seats being folded

I was told 36 cubic feet by a Tesla salesperson

 

[kikibop]

Rory Reid called the steering vague

He did indeed but I think it’s useful to note that Ford has made it known that the Euro spec Mach-E has unique suspension tuning. Because he’s one of a very few reviewers to crumb the steering feel, my guess is that it might be due to Continent-specific tuning.

 

[pt19713]

How long did it take for the model S to get this refresh? Didn't the Y just come out? By that time, I would guess Tesla won't be the lone leader of the pack. There will be crap loads of other manufacturers and models to compete against. And each will have it's strengths and weaknesses.

Tesla doesn't wait to implement the new batteries. The exterior & interior refreshes don't occur often but when there's a larger battery and/or a newer battery designed, it gets implemented at any time. Tesla won't wait to implement the 4680 battery cell. It'll essentially give the current cars that have the 78 kWh battery packs approximately 130 kWh assuming the same dimensions for the pack is used.

I'm sure Ford is working on the next battery but the MME probably won't see anything for 1-2+ years, if not longer.

 

[JoseLuisDeLaCruz]

Lol sorry I am not a Tesla Fan Boy at all, I have a 2018 Chevrolet Bolt EV but this Edmunds article is complete BS. There is no way the Mach-E is going to get better range than the Tesla Model Y. Mach-E has no heat pump! This is the first review I see where somebody says the Mach-E did way better in range than claimed. Everything else though is spot on. Seat comfort, apple carplay, android auto, etc.

 

[JoseLuisDeLaCruz]

How do I know what?

 

[RetiredDP]

How do I know what?

How do you know that Tesla is not gaming the range figures, to generate over-generous range? How do you know that Ford is not understating the Mach-E's range? The true test is an actual comparison drive, under real-world conditions. Under THOSE real-world conditions, the Mach-E had greater range.

 

[Woeo]

12' difference from the start to finish is not going to make a noticeable difference. It's still well within the acceptable 1% slope.

Keep telling yourself that. Turn it around and go the opposite way if the difference doesn’t matter.

 

[pt19713]

How do you know that Tesla is not gaming the range figures, to generate over-generous range? How do you know that Ford is not understating the Mach-E's range? The true test is an actual comparison drive, under real-world conditions. Under THOSE real-world conditions, the Mach-E had greater range.

I own one. 309-316 range is no issue for me (237-242 wh/mi). Even my winter efficiency is 260 wh/mi, or 288 miles. No one knows how efficient the Mach-E will be in winter but it's unlikely to be below 350 wh/mi.

 

[JoseLuisDeLaCruz]

How do you know that Tesla is not gaming the range figures, to generate over-generous range? How do you know that Ford is not understating the Mach-E's range? The true test is an actual comparison drive, under real-world conditions. Under THOSE real-world conditions, the Mach-E had greater range.

Umm......there are tons of youtubers that did real world range tests with the Model Y and some that have gotten their hands on the Mach-E and the range on the Mach-E was definitely worse than the EPA and lower than the actual real world numbers of the Model Y. Do your research my friend. Tons of youtubers have done these tests already. Which is why this 1 Edmunds article stating the complete opposite is fishy.

 

[Mach-E VLOG]

Umm......there are tons of youtubers that did real world range tests with the Model Y and some that have gotten their hands on the Mach-E and the range on the Mach-E was definitely worse than the EPA and lower than the actual real world numbers of the Model Y. Do your research my friend. Tons of youtubers have done these tests already. Which is why this 1 Edmunds article stating the complete opposite is fishy.

We have. There hasn't been anyone that has done a side by side test of the Mach-E and Model Y in a real world range test. Edmunds is interesting because they had the Mach-E in good weather. I do not know what conditions they had the MY, but I a guessing it was similar based on the location. Nearly ALL other testers with the Mach-E mention cold temps, snow, or rain.
I don't expect the Mach-E to consistently be beat the MY, but there are conditions where it will come close and could exceed the MY.

 

[trutolife27]

Umm......there are tons of youtubers that did real world range tests with the Model Y and some that have gotten their hands on the Mach-E and the range on the Mach-E was definitely worse than the EPA and lower than the actual real world numbers of the Model Y. Do your research my friend. Tons of youtubers have done these tests already. Which is why this 1 Edmunds article stating the complete opposite is fishy.

56 miles more the model Y longe range is supposed to get the mache AWD EXT. No one has done a side by side test 100% to 0% in both. The test is different times different weather. So anything a tesla video puts up and a mache is 100% a moot point.

You point of what "tons" of real-world means nothing if not testing both at the same time. Model Y could get 500 miles more range than the mache or vice versus. Have to both be there at the same time and conditions. It's that simple

Model Y has had how many OTA updates and how many times has the range been increased. We don't give ford the chance to tweak things also right? Not like ford has more room in the battery also to add 30 miles of the range also. How about a week 1 launch model y test versus a week 1 mache range test. Oh, I just wonder................

But the model y Suppose to get 56 miles more of range. No aero covers on the model y or mache, I would say that 56 miles of range is not going to be the difference. I mean somehow I kinda know it's not that much and I could even say let's make a bet but it's not fair when someone knows something and the other person doesn't.

 

[pt19713]

It'll take time and more deliveries before anything conclusive can be said. Plus, there are only a handful of people that I would trust to do a more scientific range test. It'll be nice once Bjorn or any of the knowledgeable EV YouTubers can borrow the car for an extended period. I prefer watching Bjorn's videos because he has a large database of data on the vehicles in both summer and winter environments.

Attached are my 2020 Model Y AWD numbers for the first 4000 miles (June 2020 - Jan 2021). My first 2 months of ownership the numbers were quite high, around 300-305 wh/mi, but I eventually learned how to be more efficient in my driving and the wh/mi has dropped since then. It works out to 262 wh/mi or 286 miles of range. The majority of the miles were prior to the OTA update that increased it from EPA 315 to 326 (around October 2020).

Ford has reached their target range by using a larger battery at the expense of cost and extra weight. In a few years Ford will come out with something better and more efficient, as will everyone else. Innovation will never stop. It's completely pointless to argue and bad mouth either product. At the end of the day, does it really matter. People that bought a Ford bought it for a reason. People that bought a Tesla bought it for a reason. For the most part, we're not swaying anyone's opinion on their purchase.

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