Recall #25S65 - 12V battery discharge may cause door lock-out (Vehicle Entrapment Allegations). Stop Sales issued by Ford

[Guss-E 2021]

Me too. Hope the "especially in hot weather" comment doesn't come to pass.

It's not that hot weather causes the issue but that it is dangerous to have someone trapped in a hot car.

This already happened to someone. Their infant was trapped for 40 minutes inside their Mach-E. Though they could have broken the glass sooner. No one was hurt fortunately.

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[Mach-Lee]

Please see the existing discussion, the interior door handles will always still work. The issue is getting locked out when there is an infant or pet stuck in the car, which could lead to serious heat stroke injury.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Nine pages (so far). Mostly everyone talking about their tools ? .

Question: Does installing a new 12 volt battery reduce the risk of the door lock situation happening? I just had my 12 volt replaced 05/28.

I have a glass break tool in the glove box. I plan on strapping a second one to the roof of the car (will double as a conversation starter).

"Hey why do you have that thing taped to your roof"
"It's funny story, why don't I tell you about it over drinks"

?

 

[ECHARGD]

Fwiw, if someone ever gets trapped in the car... just break the glass. Unless I'm misreading something, this seems more like a head's up for the "can't fight their way out of a paper bag" buyer. Having a glass breaking tool in the glove box should be mandatory. Cheap life saving security tool for the very rare instance you'd need one.

A small child is a person who cannot open the door on their own...will they be able to climb in the front seat, open the glove box, and smash a window? If they could do that, they could open the door with the manual lever....

 

[Mach-Lee]

I mean you can, but I don’t know how long the batteries/capacitors have before they get discharged. So if you park it unlocked and the 12V dies overnight and the door latch backups also run out of charge then you’re still locked out.

The supercaps hold their charge for at least 2 days after 12V loss. Sometime after that they will go dead. You will be fine if you get to it the next day, but remember the doors have be unlocked in order for the backup to work. If the doors were locked, then you’re jumping the frunk leads either way.

Is AI right on this? lol

AI bullshit, the car doesn’t draw more power when unlocked. There is some truth there to waking the car up with PAAK nearby though.

I don't think there are any capacitors. I know the manual says they exist but I tested my car when new and it didn't work. ???

The supercaps are inside the door latch control modules. They work, I’ve tested them with the 12V disconnected on several occasions. I got at least a dozen openings out them. Remember the doors must be unlocked for the outside button to work, and buttons/latches must be pushed/pulled twice in 3 seconds to activate the emergency release. FYI the door presenters won’t work, it only pops the latch.

Nine pages (so far). Mostly everyone talking about their tools ? .

Question: Does installing a new 12 volt battery reduce the risk of the door lock situation happening? I just had my 12 volt replaced 05/28.

I have a glass break tool in the glove box. I plan on strapping a second one to the roof of the car (will double as a conversation starter).

"Hey why do you have that thing taped to your roof"
"It's funny story, why don't I tell you about it over drinks"

?

Yes, installing a new 12V battery every 3 years mitigates the risk of getting locked out. The older the 12 V battery is, the more likely it is to fail suddenly.

 

[Mach-Lee]

This just in, it appears Ford has finally enabled the "Check 12-Volt Battery" warning message in FordPass to further mitigate risk. If you get this message, it means your 12V battery is likely bad and should be replaced ASAP to prevent lockouts. This new message is triggered by lowered capacity of the 12V battery as detected by the BMS.

More about the message here: 12V Battery Health Alert in FordPass App Coming Soon

I'm not 100% clear if it's enabled for all Mach-E's, it may require a certain software level.

 

[Jerrytball]

I thought this was going to be the recall I just saw and good morning America this morning, but even though I don’t have my Mustang any longer the recall about the back door, not opening up or not being able to get out of the backseat. I actually had that problem in my car and now I see it’s a recall 21 through 25.

 

[A-A-Ron]

It's kind of like strapping a slice of bread with peanut butter on it to the back of a car.

Given the context, this is the funniest typo ever mistyped on this forum

 

[MattG93]

Given the context, this is the funniest typo ever mistyped on this forum

It definitely took me a second to realize it was a typo.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Given the context, this is the funniest typo ever mistyped on this forum

I knew I should have typed “feline.”??

 

[Jimrpa]

Mark has disconnected his 12V batteries multiple times while working on the cars. The doors open just fine for a large number of button pushes as long as they're not locked. ??

I’m still confused (and very slow). You said:

Mark's tested it and gotten a surprisingly large number of door release events with the battery disconnected. The caveat is that the doors must be unlocked prior to the 12V going kaput. ??

How could “door release events” be recorded or detected if there is no 12V power available in the vehicle?

 

[HuntingPudel]

I’m still confused (and very slow). You said:

How could “door release events” be recorded or detected if there is no 12V power available in the vehicle?

I didn’t say they were recorded or detected, just that Mark had a large number of events With the battery disconnected. ?‍?

 

[Jimrpa]

A small child is a person who cannot open the door on their own...will they be able to climb in the front seat, open the glove box, and smash a window? If they could do that, they could open the door with the manual lever....

A person outside the vehicle can grab any handy “Ford Emergency Egress Device” and quickly get the vehicle opened. No tools, other than the “Ford Emergency Egress Device” (which is usually available along most roadsides) are needed.

 

[Jimrpa]

I didn’t say they were recorded or detected, just that Mark had a large number of events With the battery disconnected. ?‍?

My bad: to me, an “event” is something that is recorded in some form of log or transmitted someplace.

 

[tpsfoto]

It's highly unlikely that an able-bodied adult will be locked inside of the car since the door releases are a combination of mechanical and electric (front mecahnical release is simply a full pull of the release handle, rear is a double-pull). Children strapped into child seats are another story. ??

my wife was locked in her 2014 Cadillac SRX and battery died, she could not get out, called me and she was able to release hood and after I jumped it, she was able to release the door handle.
we sold that car….she drives an Audi Q5 now.

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