Canceling Inbound AWD MME

[FirstPony]

The MME is a bit bigger.

The charger is built into the car. The power unit aka charger Ford provides is a level 1 and 2 combo. Hyundai unfortunately went cheap on this and only provides level 1. You do need a NEMA 14-50 outlet for use the Ford charger at level 2.

I currently have a Kia Optima PHEV (2017 - one of the first thousand PHEVs they ever built), and it's got that L1 cable so I know what you mean on the Ioniq.

But very interesting on the MME, and really glad I found this out. I've got a 14-50 plug with 50A service ready to go, and assumed I'd have to buy a charger to go with it before I took delivery of the MME. So you're saying it comes with a L2-capable cable, that I can plug into that 14-50 outlet, and the "logic" unit for charging is built into the vehicle? That makes hundreds of dollars I don't have to spend. Excellent, and thank you!

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[sincitymme]

I don't think X-Plan is allowed in Nevada.

I have a pending order at the same dealership. They will accept X-plan as long as it is not a standing inventory MME. They have offered me two while waiting, but would not honor X-plan on either. They will honor it on my ordered MME. Good things to those that wait I suppose.

 

[jaklou]

I've not had a great experience with multiple delays and price increases. I picked up an Ioniq 5 Limited at MSRP this past Sat.

Anyone in Vegas interested in an AWD should check with Ford Country in Henderson, Nevada. It should arrive in early Aug. I spoke with the dealership and they are okay with me canceling and will refund the deposit. They seemed happy to have another MME to sell.

The bigger question, for me at least, is how you landed an I5 limited at MSRP?

I’ve been waiting 16 weeks for a production date on my MME Select RWD, and 12 weeks for an I5 SEL RWD. My Hyundai dealer is the one of the rare ones who doesn’t charge a markup, but they do charge a small ADM. Did you get it from Palm Springs?

 

[MachEnthusiast]

I currently have a Kia Optima PHEV (2017 - one of the first thousand PHEVs they ever built), and it's got that L1 cable so I know what you mean on the Ioniq.

But very interesting on the MME, and really glad I found this out. I've got a 14-50 plug with 50A service ready to go, and assumed I'd have to buy a charger to go with it before I took delivery of the MME. So you're saying it comes with a L2-capable cable, that I can plug into that 14-50 outlet, and the "logic" unit for charging is built into the vehicle? That makes hundreds of dollars I don't have to spend. Excellent, and thank you!

That is exactly what he is saying, and I can confirm. I had a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed in my garage on a 50A circuit. That's all I had done. The Ford "Mobile Charger" that comes with the car has a modular plug that is removable from the unit. They pack in both the 120V "regular household plug" (L1) and the NEMA 14-50 plug (L2). In every single MME, regardless of trim level. This is what Tesla did a long time ago. I'm not sure who else does this besides Ford.

Here's the Ford link: https://www.ford.com/ntzlibs/conten...specs-sheet/Home_Install_Spec_Sheet_FINAL.pdf

Note: I hate that they suggest installing ground to top for everyone. It definitely depends on how you intend to use the mobile unit. I let mine dangle, and I regret installing it ground-to-top, and wish I would have asked for ground to bottom. But I was a noob back then, and didn't do anything except give this sheet to my electrician and say "do this."

Here's a video. Start at 0:55 to look at the EVSE "mobile charger." Very clear.

 

[FirstPony]

That is exactly what he is saying, and I can confirm. I had a NEMA 14-50 outlet installed in my garage on a 50A circuit. That's all I had done. The Ford "Mobile Charger" that comes with the car has a modular plug that is removable from the unit. They pack in both the 120V "regular household plug" (L1) and the NEMA 14-50 plug (L2). In every single MME, regardless of trim level. This is what Tesla did a long time ago. I'm not sure who else does this besides Ford.

Here's the Ford link: https://www.ford.com/ntzlibs/conten...specs-sheet/Home_Install_Spec_Sheet_FINAL.pdf

Note: I hate that they suggest installing ground to top for everyone. It definitely depends on how you intend to use the mobile unit. I let mine dangle, and I regret installing it ground-to-top, and wish I would have asked for ground to bottom. But I was a noob back then, and didn't do anything except give this sheet to my electrician and say "do this."

Here's a video. Start at 0:55 to look at the EVSE "mobile charger." Very clear.

Thank you. The video was helpful. It does seem that the cable included won't provide as much charge as a 50A unit like Ford's rapid charger or a Chargepoint Homeflex or the like. I'll have to decide if that extra speed is worth the $700 for that Homeflex unit.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Thank you. The video was helpful. It does seem that the cable included won't provide as much charge as a 50A unit like Ford's rapid charger or a Chargepoint Homeflex or the like. I'll have to decide if that extra speed is worth the $700 for that Homeflex unit.

Be aware that there are several people on the forum who have had issues with the Ford Mobile Charger (FMC) after multiple repeated uses. I have never used my FMC so I don know if it will fault or not. From the reports I have read, it wasn’t designed to be used every day as your main EVSE. ?‍?

 

[FirstPony]

Be aware that there are several people on the forum who have had issues with the Ford Mobile Charger (FMC) after multiple repeated uses. I have never used my FMC so I don know if it will fault or not. From the reports I have read, it wasn’t designed to be used every day as your main EVSE. ?‍?

Thanks for that info. I am leaning towards getting that Chargepoint Homeflex anyway. I already have one for our other vehicle, have liked it so far, already have the app set up (small thing), and it is $50 cheaper than the Ford wall charger unit.

 

[MachEnthusiast]

Thank you. The video was helpful. It does seem that the cable included won't provide as much charge as a 50A unit like Ford's rapid charger or a Chargepoint Homeflex or the like. I'll have to decide if that extra speed is worth the $700 for that Homeflex unit.

That is because no plug-in charger will. That is a limitation of the "80% rule" and being on a 50A circuit means you'll always get less than 50A. To reach the maximum draw of the MME (which is only 48A) you need to be on a 60A circuit with an EVSE that is hard-wired to said circuit.

You won't get 48A draw on your Chargepoint unless you hardwire it, for the same reason.

 

[FirstPony]

That is because no plug-in charger will. That is a limitation of the "80% rule" and being on a 50A circuit means you'll always get less than 50A. To reach the maximum draw of the MME (which is only 48A) you need to be on a 60A circuit with an EVSE that is hard-wired to said circuit.

You won't get 48A draw on your Chargepoint unless you hardwire it, for the same reason.

I don't really care about getting 50A, which is a ceiling number it is built not to exceed. And as you said the MME can only draw 48A anyway. But the L2 charging cable with the Ford seems to be well below either number, whereas the Chargepoint or other "wall" chargers will (if the car accepts it) go higher. 80% isn't a rule either, if you are referring to the home circuit and wiring. If you mean that the MME will only draw 80% of max due to its own selected draw rate, that is different.

Whatever the electrical dynamics involved, the video in the earlier post and now other things I have read make it clear that you can put a charge on the MME at a substantially faster rate with a faster charging apparatus (whether the Ford 48A thing, or Chargepoint 50A, or whatever 48 or 50 amp-capable system you buy), versus the L2 cable that comes standard with the car. That is where the decision point is for me. I am not sure how much I will care in the end but I am considering it.

 

[MachEnthusiast]

I don't really care about getting 50A, which is a ceiling number it is built not to exceed. And as you said the MME can only draw 48A anyway. But the L2 charging cable with the Ford seems to be well below either number, whereas the Chargepoint or other "wall" chargers will (if the car accepts it) go higher. 80% isn't a rule either, if you are referring to the home circuit and wiring. If you mean that the MME will only draw 80% of max due to its own selected draw rate, that is different.

Whatever the electrical dynamics involved, the video in the earlier post and now other things I have read make it clear that you can put a charge on the MME at a substantially faster rate with a faster charging apparatus (whether the Ford 48A thing, or Chargepoint 50A, or whatever 48 or 50 amp-capable system you buy), versus the L2 cable that comes standard with the car. That is where the decision point is for me. I am not sure how much I will care in the end but I am considering it.

I see what you're saying now. Yes, the Ford Mobile Charger limits draw to 32A. And yes, I believe EVSE equipment that is plugged in to the correct NEMA plug and circuit can reach up to 40A. The limitation here is that I don't think any NEMA outlet can deliver more than 40A, as they can't be placed on a circuit higher than 50A.

But an EVSE can go up to 48A if you skip the plug completely and hardwire it to a 60A circuit. That's the maximum you could hope for for home charging.

So yes, there are two more "sub-levels" of L2 that you could reach, potentially.

 

[Bigfeets]

I've not had a great experience with multiple delays and price increases. I picked up an Ioniq 5 Limited at MSRP this past Sat.

Anyone in Vegas interested in an AWD should check with Ford Country in Henderson, Nevada. It should arrive in early Aug. I spoke with the dealership and they are okay with me canceling and will refund the deposit. They seemed happy to have another MME to sell.

Congratulations. I did the same although I've not given up my 32-week-old MME order, yet.

 

[Fixbear]

I see what you're saying now. Yes, the Ford Mobile Charger limits draw to 32A. And yes, I believe EVSE equipment that is plugged in to the correct NEMA plug and circuit can reach up to 40A. The limitation here is that I don't think any NEMA outlet can deliver more than 40A, as they can't be placed on a circuit higher than 50A.

But an EVSE can go up to 48A if you skip the plug completely and hardwire it to a 60A circuit. That's the maximum you could hope for for home charging.

So yes, there are two more "sub-levels" of L2 that you could reach, potentially.

Yor informational purposes, they do make 60 amp plugs. The two common formats are NEMA 14-60 and 15-60. Finding them means going to a quality electric supply house. But they are out there.

 

[MachEnthusiast]

Yor informational purposes, they do make 60 amp plugs. The two common formats are NEMA 14-60 and 15-60. Finding them means going to a quality electric supply house. But they are out there.

Thank you for that. This is odd because I never see EVSEs that leverage those plugs to deliver more than the 40A I was talking about earlier. Every EVSE I've seen so far that can deliver more than 40A needs to be hardwired to do so. Now that I'm familiar with every EVSE out there, I just haven't seen one that would use a NEMA 15-60 plug and deliver 48A.

 

[Fixbear]

Thank you for that. This is odd because I never see EVSEs that leverage those plugs to deliver more than the 40A I was talking about earlier. Every EVSE I've seen so far that can deliver more than 40A needs to be hardwired to do so. Now that I'm familiar with every EVSE out there, I just haven't seen one that would use a NEMA 15-60 plug and deliver 48A.

Mainly because most home chargers limit out at 42 amps. There are very few brands that will do the 48 amps.

 

[MachEnthusiast]

Mainly because most home chargers limit out at 42 amps. There are very few brands that will do the 48 amps.

Except seemingly if you hardwire them. So the limitation doesn’t seem to be the hardware itself. For example the ChargePoint home flex is 48A capable on a hardwire. But it uses the NEMA 14-50 if you plug it. This is what I’ve seen with most chargers. I’ve not seen one that can deliver 48A without being hardwired. Even Ford’s own.

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