Cost to replace batteries?

[Ghost Ryder]

What Ford parts charges for a part, and what the manufacturer pays for that part, are widely different.

True, but still related. It gives us an idea of how much the Battery is costing Ford.

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[mecrazee]

Tesla is always updating their models, many times significantly. I don't think the MY that is coming out of Fremont has the structural battery packs, only the MY that comes from Austin, and of those only the ones with the 4680 cells. The MYP are all coming out of Fremont and they still have the 2170 cells. Which is the same as the M3.

Agree. Two TM3 or TMY may look identical but underneath can be completely different. Hence, the battery replacement costs listed in that article are simply misleading and meaningless without including key basis of model design.

 

[HOLOTYPE]

I’m interested in what dealerships are going to recommend outside of warranty.

My premium is in the shop right now and they say I have 2 bad battery cells that they are going to replace. I know Tesla would just want to replace the whole thing so I asked the dealer what are the chances of that happening, especially if I end up having more bad cells before the warranty is up. The dealer said unless the entire thing is shot, there is no way they will replace an entire battery during warranty because it’s just way too expensive.

I wonder if they’d be telling me something different if I have a bad cell outside of warranty since I’d be on the hook for paying it. That being said, I am glad that Ford doesn’t jump right into trashing a whole battery despite how much I would benefit from it

 

[Deleted member 19354]

Under 8 years or 100,000 miles, $0!
By the time the Mach-e needs new batteries it will be someone else's problem and even then newer technology will have replaced lithium ion batteries with cheaper, longer range, faster charging batteries.
The real challenge now is finding a reliable Ford service department to take care of the Mach-e, it may have taken me four tries, but they are out there. With time that will also improve.

I rarely keep ANY car more than 3-4 years ?

 

[johnnycombo]

So does anybody ever consider how much it costs to replace an ice engine before they buy? After all ice engines are only warrantied for 3 years 36,000 miles and are a much higher financial risk.

As EV owners we really need to push back on all the unfounded media hype. We all know the media mantra: If it bleeds it leads and if it's not bleeding, stab it.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Nothing

So does anybody ever consider how much it costs to replace an ice engine before they buy? After all ice engines are only warrantied for 3 years 36,000 miles and are a much higher financial risk.

As EV owners we really need to push back on all the unfounded media hype. We all know the media mantra: If it bleeds it leads and if it's not bleeding, stab it.

Exactly.

Having had large traction batteries in my vehicles since 2002, I have zero fear of the battery in my Mustang being a problem.

I also have three decades of experience with solar/battery powered spacecraft. Some have lasted for 12 (Pb-A), 14 (Pb-A), and 15+ years (Lithium). None of those missions ended because of the batteries (yes, there was some decrease in capacity of the batteries--these are extreme environmental conditions). That experience makes me have even less fear of batteries being a problem in my cars.

Finally, I've lived either off-grid or with battery backup solar on my home(s) for most of my life (Pb-A and Lithium). Again, I have no fear of my Mustang's battery being a problem.

 

[RickMachE]

So does anybody ever consider how much it costs to replace an ice engine before they buy? After all ice engines are only warrantied for 3 years 36,000 miles and are a much higher financial risk.

As EV owners we really need to push back on all the unfounded media hype. We all know the media mantra: If it bleeds it leads and if it's not bleeding, stab it.

5 years/ 60,000 miles powertrain warranty.

 

[AliRafiee]

So does anybody ever consider how much it costs to replace an ice engine before they buy? After all ice engines are only warrantied for 3 years 36,000 miles and are a much higher financial risk.

As EV owners we really need to push back on all the unfounded media hype. We all know the media mantra: If it bleeds it leads and if it's not bleeding, stab it.

Not a fair comparison. An ICE engine’s range does not change over time, or miles. I just bought a 2000 Tacoma with 250K miles that gets to go the same number of miles as when new. But a battery won’t. Take a look at some old EVs on the market, and you might be surprised on how many only have half capacity after 8-10 years.
I had a 2013 LEAF with 90K miles that had only lost 10% capacity. But when I looked for similar cars to get an idea on what I can sell it for, newer LEAFs with less miles had less than half the capacity left.

 

[Just Lurking]

So does anybody ever consider how much it costs to replace an ice engine before they buy? After all ice engines are only warrantied for 3 years 36,000 miles and are a much higher financial risk.

It is a consideration. Internal combustion engines are pretty reliable, but catastrophic failures do occur and if out of warranty (or if the engine is modded / boosted and warranty invalidated) it's going to be a pretty big financial hit for a performance engine. Still much cheaper than the quoted price for a LR Mach-E battery pack, however. For example:

Using a dealer to replace a late model Mustang GT with a brand new Coyote engine is going to run ~$15k++ including labor and parts. A $38k battery pack replacement (is labor additional?) is more than twice as expensive.

Plus, with combustion engines you usually have the option to save money by replacing with a used/rebuilt engine and using a third party with lower labor rates. (Perhaps that will also become an option in the future as EVs proliferate.)

 

[Mach1E]

It is a consideration. Internal combustion engines are pretty reliable, but catastrophic failures do occur and if out of warranty (or if the engine is modded / boosted and warranty invalidated) it's going to be a pretty big financial hit for a performance engine. Still much cheaper than the quoted price for a LR Mach-E battery pack, however. For example:

Using a dealer to replace a late model Mustang GT with a brand new Coyote engine is going to run ~$15k++ including labor and parts. A $38k battery pack replacement (is labor additional?) is more than twice as expensive.

Plus, with combustion engines you usually have the option to save money by replacing with a used/rebuilt engine and using a third party with lower labor rates. (Perhaps that will also become an option in the future as EVs proliferate.)

I’d love to see a show of hands of people who have been driving gas cars for decades………and have ever paid a dealer to replace the entire motor in a car.

Not only have I never replaced an entire motor…….I’ve never even heard of someone in my personal life who had to buy and replace an entire new engine.**

**excluding catastrophic failure of a race car motor. But I don’t really count that in this conversation.

As far as the battery goes, shouldn’t there be a part number and list price somewhere?

 

[933233311602]

it will be someone else's problem

It needs to be said that the "someone else's problem" attitude is 1/2 of what's wrong in the world.

What happens 10 years from now to the very expensive and very toxic batteries in your Mach E should very much be something you're concerned with. People need to take much more long-term responsibility for how their choices and actions affect other people, both in the present and future.

Maybe you, personally, won't be repairing or disposing your Mach E in 10 years but giving a crap about the next person or how the messes you create today (depleted toxic batteries) are going to be handled by future people would go a long, long way to making our world better.

 

[Blue highway]

Worrying about battery replacement cost is a classic example of asking the wrong question and drawing the wrong conclusion.

Complete battery replacements don't regularly happen because... the bad cells can be replaced, leaving the serviceable ones there at a tiny fraction of the cost of a new battery.

Tesla after market does, this... Prius aftermarket does this.

ICE cars do this. When your engine or transmission breaks, its generally fixed. If it is beyond repair, a used rebuilt engine or rebuilt transmission is what is generally put in, not a new crate motor or new transmission.

 

[TheSteelRider]

Just curious, what would it cost to replace our extended range batteries?

Like other posts, all batteries for the Mach E are likely still under warranty, so it's really unknown, but parts.ford.com says about $38k (retail price) for the parts alone IF I have the part number correct. If I don't, someone will very quickly correct me below

https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/e...assemblies-extended-range-p-pj9z10b759e?pdp=y

 

[MME_Adventurist]

here's a question… do you think we will be able to replace the MME battery in 10-15 years with newer battery tech? I wonder if the newer tech will be compatible with older EVs giving older EVs new life and more range, maybe?

 

[TheSteelRider]

here's a question… do you think we will be able to replace the MME battery in 10-15 years with newer battery tech? I wonder if the newer tech will be compatible with older EVs giving older EVs new life and more range, maybe?

In the 2019 - 2020 timeframe when we had nothing to do on this forum other than speculate, there were dozens of threads on this topic. My opinion now is the same as it was then, it is extremely unlikely.

I think we have examples of the Bolt where a higher-capacity battery was used at least in some cases for the massive recall. But, I don't think those were drastically different batteries just slightly higher capacity.

Other than that, I've read of aftermarket Leaf and Prius batteries (Chris Fix had a video on this within the last year or so), but this was a dissasemble-yourself and replace the individual cells sort of thing.

GM's 'ultium' skateboard platform is supposed to be a long-lived platform but supposed to be is the operative words.

It isn't in the vehicle manufacturer's best interest to offer this. They can just sell you a new car instead. As one contrived example (but not far from today's reality) how many people would bite on an offer to pay $25k for a new fancy dancy improved battery vs. $50k for a brand new car. It is going to be extremely dependent on battery price, and it would have to be something like 10:1 or better ratio and even then how many people would actually bite vs. just buy a new vehicle.

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