Cost to replace batteries?

[Hoopajoob]

True, but still related. It gives us an idea of how much the Battery is costing Ford.

I asked my parts dept what it would cost to replace my wife's battery and they said 15k + labor

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[johnnycombo]

I’d love to see a show of hands of people who have been driving gas cars for decades………and have ever paid a dealer to replace the entire motor in a car.

Not only have I never replaced an entire motor…….I’ve never even heard of someone in my personal life who had to buy and replace an entire new engine.**

**excluding catastrophic failure of a race car motor. But I don’t really count that in this conversation.

As far as the battery goes, shouldn’t there be a part number and list price somewhere?

?2014 Honda Accord coupe, 17,000 miles under warranty, the whole engine. Not raced, not modded, just an everyday commute to work, oil changes at the dealer.

 

[AKgrampy]

The funny thing to me is you are all making the wrong comparison. Battery is the fuel tank not the engine. Really not a comparison between ICE and EV in this regard.

 

[Adventureboy]

This is kind of like asking how much it will cost to replace my engine if I blow it up on my brand-new ICE car 10 years ago. It is irrelevant. In 15 years when the battery may start getting weak or some cells fail, the entire supply chain for EVs will have made significant strides, and used parts and repairs/replacements will be available. Most 10-year-old Teslas are still running at 90% capacity with little or no repairs.
Drive on, and worry less. Mach-Es are only a few years into it but expect similar or better performance with newer technology. The packs are modular and you only need to replace a module if something fails in it.

 

[Adventureboy]

The funny thing to me is you are all making the wrong comparison. Battery is the fuel tank not the engine. Really not a comparison between ICE and EV in this regard.

Technically you are right, however, this EV fuel tank is the most expensive part of an EV and hence the comparison with the engine in an ICE.

 

[AKgrampy]

Technically you are right, however, this EV fuel tank is the most expensive part of an EV and hence the comparison with the engine in an ICE.

True but still an apples and oranges comparison. Just another area where I think we need to adjust our mindset when comparing costs between EV’s and ICE rigs.

 

[VindictivePantz]

There are many, many companies working through ways to repair, refurb, re-use HVBs, so I suspect the costs will drop significantly in the next 3-5 years.

 

[Teslaeata]

Technically you are right, however, this EV fuel tank is the most expensive part of an EV and hence the comparison with the engine in an ICE.

So compare the cost of an EV electric “engine” (motor) excluding the transmission with the cost of a new ICE engine, I bet there aren’t many ICE engines in cars capable of 0-60 in c3secs on market for under £25k, an EV motor with transmission is c£4k I heard so EV wins again ?

 

[superdave80]

I’d love to see a show of hands of people who have been driving gas cars for decades………and have ever paid a dealer to replace the entire motor in a car.

2016 Kia Optima, $7k

 

[RickMachE]

This is kind of like asking how much it will cost to replace my engine if I blow it up on my brand-new ICE car 10 years ago. It is irrelevant. In 15 years when the battery may start getting weak or some cells fail, the entire supply chain for EVs will have made significant strides, and used parts and repairs/replacements will be available. Most 10-year-old Teslas are still running at 90% capacity with little or no repairs.
Drive on, and worry less. Mach-Es are only a few years into it but expect similar or better performance with newer technology. The packs are modular and you only need to replace a module if something fails in it.

This ^^^

How do people have the time, and interest, to speculate as to something that may happen in a decade plus? The answers have as much validity as if I ask Pluto, the golden down the street.

 

[HuntingPudel]

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Not only have I never replaced an entire motor…….I’ve never even heard of someone in my personal life who had to buy and replace an entire new engine.**

**excluding catastrophic failure of a race car motor. But I don’t really count that in this conversation.
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LOL when I bought my T/A new I was already building a Pontiac 455 for it. I *had* to get that Olds engine out of there. ??

Side note: the Olds 403 sat for a few months then went into my dad’s ‘77 Olds station wagon. His 403 overheated and cracked a head. We figured it was cheaper to replace the whole engine than to replace the head, since we had a less than 1K mile engine sitting there. ?‍?

I guess I should also note that I’ve split a V8 block, windowed a block via a thrown rod, broken a crank, destroyed a valvetrain (the last time I ever bought a crate engine damned Chebbies), tangled valves, and pulled engines just because I wanted to build one. ??

 

[VindictivePantz]

It's an interesting part of the industry. An ICE can sit for years on a shelf either as a used or rebuilt unit and be sold as a replacement engine. An EV battery, once refurbished needs constant maintenance charging and monitoring to stay fresh.

I'm not sure selling inexpensive refurbished replacement batteries will be a viable business model.

It'll depend on demand in EVs, failure rates for long-mileage vehicles, or alternate uses (i.e. some are being used for energy storage for solar and wind farms.)

Heck, if they can be economically broken down, pieces/parts might end up in smaller vehicles where "swap" stations are starting to become more common (see India, Vietnam, etc. for mopeds/eBikes.)

If Lithium is still used, and some of the massive lithium reserves found in the US turn out to be real, that can also help drive prices down as well.

 

[Scorpy2643]

I’d love to see a show of hands of people who have been driving gas cars for decades………and have ever paid a dealer to replace the entire motor in a car.

Not only have I never replaced an entire motor…….I’ve never even heard of someone in my personal life who had to buy and replace an entire new engine.**

**excluding catastrophic failure of a race car motor. But I don’t really count that in this conversation.

As far as the battery goes, shouldn’t there be a part number and list price somewhere?

As we all know, a personal anecdote is reality for everyone! What a terribly privileged life you’ve led.?

Also, to answer your question; hand raised. I grew up poor. I owned used cars well outside of warranty. I even purchased cars with blown engines for cheap. I’ve replaced several engines in my days. A quick google search would show you engine replacement is not uncommon at all.

 

[RWG]

When solid state batteries hit the market, with double the range, I wonder if there will be an upgrade market, i.e. either OEM or Aftermarket. ?

There is really nothing wrong with our 2021 Mach E, but battery tech is changing. I would consider an upgrade, if it was financially practical.

 

[Just Lurking]

I asked my parts dept what it would cost to replace my wife's battery and they said 15k + labor

Was this a total WAG or is the battery actually hugely discounted by the dealer? The MSRP on Ford Parts for a '22 ranges from $31k to $39k+ for a battery pack.

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