Cost to replace batteries?

[Mach1E]

?2014 Honda Accord coupe, 17,000 miles under warranty, the whole engine. Not raced, not modded, just an everyday commute to work, oil changes at the dealer.

I should have specified.

Not under warranty. People who paid for a whole new crate motor out of pocket.

If it’s under warranty, the price/cost doesn’t really matter.

For the people who did replace the whole motor, they did it for a specific reason-

It was cheaper than fixing the motor or buying a whole new car.

For an EV, out of warranty, it’s gonna be way cheaper to fix, and likely cheaper to buy a whole new car.

I don’t expect many (or any) people will pay $40k to put a whole new battery in a used Mach E with 100k+ miles.

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[Mach1E]

As we all know, a personal anecdote is reality for everyone! What a terribly privileged life you’ve led.?

Also, to answer your question; hand raised. I grew up poor. I owned used cars well outside of warranty. I even purchased cars with blown engines for cheap. I’ve replaced several engines in my days. A quick google search would show you engine replacement is not uncommon at all.

You thought that sounded priveledged? Wait till I add this anecdote-

Most of the people around me have replaced quite a few boat engines though, even when the old engines still work fine. ?

 

[VindictivePantz]

I was specifically speaking to refurbished EV batteries used to replace the battery in a same model EV.

You are discussing recycling the battery for secondary non-automotive uses. That's a different business case. My position is once an EV battery has been charge cycled it cannot just be stored in suspended animation until it is needed similar to an ICE. It requires monitoring and charging maintenance, which makes it expensive to store while waiting installation into a vehicle that needs it. It needs to be kept in a state of temperature and charge level, which requires a heating/cooling system and charging system. That makes using used EV batteries, as replacement components, expensive.

Correct.

However, if a HVB can be used for other things, new tech can be used to refurb/repair for EV use, alternate solutions/suppliers start to become available - not only due to EV demand, but demand in other industries, price pressures will decrease.

Where there is a price premium, it attracts others to the market, often in ways we cannot imagine.

Assuming prices are going to be north of $20k USD in perpetuity is not sustainable for EVs or the market. It'll be solved.

 

[johnnycombo]

As we all know, a personal anecdote is reality for everyone! What a terribly privileged life you’ve led.?

Also, to answer your question; hand raised. I grew up poor. I owned used cars well outside of warranty. I even purchased cars with blown engines for cheap. I’ve replaced several engines in my days. A quick google search would show you engine replacement is not uncommon at all.
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I should have specified.

Not under warranty. People who paid for a whole new crate motor out of pocket.

If it’s under warranty, the price/cost doesn’t really matter.

For the people who did replace the whole motor, they did it for a specific reason-

It was cheaper than fixing the motor or buying a whole new car.

For an EV, out of warranty, it’s gonna be way cheaper to fix, and likely cheaper to buy a whole new car.

I don’t expect many (or any) people will pay $40k to put a whole new battery in a used Mach E with 100k+ miles.

Oh okay, ?1967 mustang gt 428, ?1974 pinto station wagon 2300 4cyl, ?1972 Torino"for the brother inlaw", ?1982 Chevy citation v6, ?1980 VW sirocco ?1980 Buick LeSabre" another brother inlaw" ?1982 ck " brothers truck". And no, I didn't pay to get engines changed, I did the work myself and didn't get payed either.
So you can see why I feel no loss at the demise of ice engines and don't get me started on big oil companies!

 

[superdave80]

An EV battery, once refurbished needs constant maintenance charging and monitoring to stay fresh.

Batteries can easily sit for months if charged properly before storage. It doesn't need 'constant maintenance'.

 

[Mach1E]

Oh okay, ?1967 mustang gt 428, ?1974 pinto station wagon 2300 4cyl, ?1972 Torino"for the brother inlaw", ?1982 Chevy citation v6, ?1980 VW sirocco ?1980 Buick LeSabre" another brother inlaw" ?1982 ck " brothers truck". And no, I didn't pay to get engines changed, I did the work myself and didn't get payed either.
So you can see why I feel no loss at the demise of ice engines and don't get me started on big oil companies!

Since I was speaking to my life experience, I won’t count any of those that happened before I was born. ?

Back then for sure gas engines weren’t as reliable.

My 69 Mustang I don’t think they ever expected to hit 100,000 miles when they built it seeing as the odometer turns over at 100k.

 

[AKgrampy]

You thought that sounded priveledged? Wait till I add this anecdote-

Most of the people around me have replaced quite a few boat engines though, even when the old engines still work fine. ?

Not that I have one but up here we could up that with the number of private aircraft which I bet get regular engine upgrades!

 

[johnnycombo]

Since I was speaking to my life experience, I won’t count any of those that happened before I was born. ?

Back then for sure gas engines weren’t as reliable.

My 69 Mustang I don’t think they ever expected to hit 100,000 miles when they built it seeing as the odometer turns over at 100k.

Don't forget my 2014 Accord!
What we are witnessing now is an industry disruption, just like the horse and buggy days there will be a change. Sure it does seem to be moving slowly, but like any new technology electric vehicles will begin to take over the market at an increasing pace.
Even Exxon Mobil sees the change coming. They have sold the Asian refineries, Billings refinerie and have said the new business model will be lubricants and polymers. When the big boys leave the room it's time to pay attention!

 

[Mach1E]

Don't forget my 2014 Accord!
What we are witnessing now is an industry disruption, just like the horse and buggy days there will be a change. Sure it does seem to be moving slowly, but like any new technology electric vehicles will begin to take over the market at an increasing pace.
Even Exxon Mobil sees the change coming. They have sold the Asian refineries, Billings refinerie and have said the new business model will be lubricants and polymers. When the big boys leave the room it's time to pay attention!

Electric vehicles are old, as old gas cars.

This isn’t a new technology. We are trying the same old tech again.

I’ll be more confident that these are disruptive when the majority of companies making and selling them turn a profit.

Until it becomes a profitable business model, it’s still another market experiment.

 

[johnnycombo]

Electric vehicles are old, as old gas cars.

This isn’t a new technology. We are trying the same old tech again.

I’ll be more confident that these are disruptive when the majority of companies making and selling them turn a profit.

Until it becomes a profitable business model, it’s still another market experiment.

Here's a good site to explore what's coming: https://electrek.co/2023/12/05/us-ev-sales-pass-1-million-2023/

 

[Mach1E]

Here's a good site to explore what's coming: https://electrek.co/2023/12/05/us-ev-sales-pass-1-million-2023/

As discussed on other threads, total sales look pretty good.

But sales per model are struggling.

Right now the growth in number of models being released is outpacing total market growth.

It’s likely why many EV projects are currently being delayed or cancelled by manufacturers. They’re waiting to figure out when they can make money on these things.

 

[Space_Pony]

True but still an apples and oranges comparison. Just another area where I think we need to adjust our mindset when comparing costs between EV’s and ICE rigs.

If the battery is gone, I suspect the motors that actually have moving parts could also need attention. I'm sure that's going to cost some real money also.

 

[RickMachE]

As we all know, a personal anecdote is reality for everyone! What a terribly privileged life you’ve led.?

Also, to answer your question; hand raised. I grew up poor. I owned used cars well outside of warranty. I even purchased cars with blown engines for cheap. I’ve replaced several engines in my days. A quick google search would show you engine replacement is not uncommon at all.

In fact it is. Uncommon means out of the ordinary, unusual. Common means prevalent, done often. Clearly engine replacement is more uncommon than common.

Engine replacement, like most other engine issues, has dramatically dropped over the years as reliability improved with higher quality manufacturing. One indication of the higher quality is the elimination of break-in oil (and finding shavings in the oil) in newer cars. Yet some persist in changing their oil on the way home from the dealership and every 3,000 miles, because old dogs cannot learn new tricks.

I have never bought a used vehicle in all my years of driving. I have driven vehicles up to 15 years. I have never replaced an engine, or a major engine part. No one I know has either, except a friend that bought an old Porsche and rebuilt it in his basement.

Yes, if you only bought older, used vehicles in your life, it might me a bit more common than uncommon, but not for the overall population.

Consumer Reports notes that engine replacements are rare. https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ed-an-engine-rebuild-what-to-buy-a3227614920/

 

[SAA]

Maybe there'll be an option to replace the current battery with new and much better tech whenever that happens sometime in the next 10 years...

 

[AKgrampy]

If the battery is gone, I suspect the motors that actually have moving parts could also need attention. I'm sure that's going to cost some real money also.

And if your do not have a fuel tank you engine does not perform well either.

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