Cost to replace batteries?

[superdave80]

Based on the Chevy Volt incident where the battery caught on fire after the Volt was crash tested in accordance with Federal testing requirements I'm not sure that is accurate. In the Volt incident, the side impact test speared the battery case damaging the battery cooling system. Then the Volt was subject to loss of coolant, which leaked on and damaged the battery thermal control electronics when the Federal roll over test was conducted. The battery over heated two weeks later and caught fire.

You were discussing storing refurbished batteries long term, so your example of a damaged battery isn't relevant. Normally a refurbished battery pack is going to be opened up and inspected and damaged cells pulled out and replaced.

My point is there is added cost to storing EV batteries that storing ICE do not have, which is why one can buy a salvaged ICE for under a few thousand dollars and install it in a different vehicle that needs a new engine.

ICEs are less expensive because they are less expensive to build, not because they are cheaper to store.

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[superdave80]

except a friend that bought an old Porsche and rebuilt it in his basement.

How'd he manage to find friends strong enough to carry a Porsche down the stairs into his basement?

 

[RickMachE]

How'd he manage to find friends strong enough to carry a Porsche down the stairs into his basement?

I don't know. I remember moving him (decades ago) and the Porsche was in the back of the van. How does Gibbs get the boats out of his basement?

 

[Hoopajoob]

Was this a total WAG or is the battery actually hugely discounted by the dealer? The MSRP on Ford Parts for a '22 ranges from $31k to $39k+ for a battery pack.

I'm not sure to be honest. I was ordering off road tires for a customers Bronco. I just asked a parts guy how much it would cost for the wifes car. gave a couple options then told him hers was standard range and he gave me that number. This was just the cost of the battery no labor calculated at all

 

[jay1122]

Let's be honest. If your battery breaks right now. You either replace with warranty or replace it with your auto insurance. If neither of these covers it. You are screwed. In the near future after the warranty expires, your MME probably only worth around $10K. I doubt it will be worth it to replace the battery. Likely scrap it for parts.

 

[superdave80]

If EV were less expensive to build they'd be less expensive to buy than thier (ICEV) counterparts,

I never said EVs were less expensive to build. I stated the exact opposite:

ICEs are less expensive because they are less expensive to build,

the battery cooling system controller was damaged, which led to the battery overheating because the internal battery temperature was not controlled.

That was over a decade ago (2011):
" The prevailing theory explaining the battery fire says that the coolant lines serving the battery were probably severed during the crash, leading to a short or eventual overheating condition. This has not yet been confirmed, though. GM contends the fire happened because the prototype test vehicle's programming was incomplete. All production Volts have programming that GM put in place last July to "depower" the battery after a crash, dissipating any remaining charge and rendering the battery inert. The test car didn't have that. "

Your example has nothing to do with storing a battery for months/years after it has been pulled from a vehicle for refurbishment. They literally crashed/damaged the a vehicle without proper safety programming and threw it out into a parking lot.

 

[VindictivePantz]

I don't know. I remember moving him (decades ago) and the Porsche was in the back of the van. How does Gibbs get the boats out of his basement?

Getting it down is the easy part. Gravity is a helluva a thing ?. I'm just picturing it like I'd do it.

Build a cardboard or wood ramp and let it slide.

 

[dtbaker61]

Just curious, what would it cost to replace our extended range batteries?

nothing as long as you get it done under warranty

 

[dtbaker61]

Could you not also keep the old battery, turning it into a home backup system? Similar to what Ford promotes for the F150 Lightning.

I agree with those who say the battery should last 10+ years before the capacity depletes enough that it needs to be replaced. My plan for when that happens is to use the old battery as a home backup system - assuming other options are not more affordable by then.

you *might* be able to..... but it might not be worth waiting 10 years and paying the 'core charge' for keeping it and pulling it apart. You'd be better off keeping your eyes open for a wrecked car, and buying it at some salvage cost.

 

[Fremont Kid]

you *might* be able to..... but it might not be worth waiting 10 years and paying the 'core charge' for keeping it and pulling it apart. You'd be better off keeping your eyes open for a wrecked car, and buying it at some salvage cost.

Sounds fair.
Thanks.

 

[superdave80]

but from what I've researched, the engineering says an EV battery needs to be stored between 40 and 85 deg. F. and kept at 50% SOC to prevent cell damage/degradation. So that means a controlled temperature storage facility with industrial racks to hold 1,500 pound batteries and a charging system to keep the battery charged.

Unless you are storing these in extreme cold or hot environments, keeping a facility between 40 and 85 degrees is pretty trivial. I have a drafty vacation home in the mountains, and to keep it at 50 degrees in the dead of winter costs maybe $100/mo. And you don't have to keep a pack at exactly 50% all the time. You could charge it to 55%, leave it for probably six months at which point it has discharged to around 45%, and then hook it up to a charger and charge it back up to 55% (Maybe $2 of electricity). There is SOME cost to storing a battery, but it isn't the budget-buster cost that you think it is.

 

[Mach1E]

Unless you are storing these in extreme cold or hot environments, keeping a facility between 40 and 85 degrees is pretty trivial. I have a drafty vacation home in the mountains, and to keep it at 50 degrees in the dead of winter costs maybe $100/mo. And you don't have to keep a pack at exactly 50% all the time. You could charge it to 55%, leave it for probably six months at which point it has discharged to around 45%, and then hook it up to a charger and charge it back up to 55% (Maybe $2 of electricity). There is SOME cost to storing a battery, but it isn't the budget-buster cost that you think it is.

I would venture the volume of used car batteries will drastically exceed the demand for used car batteries extremely quickly.

Recycling for the raw materials will be cost prohibitive as well.

 

[superdave80]

Recycling for the raw materials will be cost prohibitive as well.

Based on...?

 

[Mach1E]

Based on...?

The multiple articles on the subject.

Here is just one quick example, but you can search as well-

https://www.canarymedia.com/article...-costly-these-five-startups-could-change-that

Yes, startup companies are trying to figure out how to make it more cost effective, but right now it’s very expensive.

And as the cost of manufacturing new batteries goes down, the profit (if any) in recycling will only get worse.

 

[Scorpy2643]

In fact it is. Uncommon means out of the ordinary, unusual. Common means prevalent, done often. Clearly engine replacement is more uncommon than common.

Engine replacement, like most other engine issues, has dramatically dropped over the years as reliability improved with higher quality manufacturing. One indication of the higher quality is the elimination of break-in oil (and finding shavings in the oil) in newer cars. Yet some persist in changing their oil on the way home from the dealership and every 3,000 miles, because old dogs cannot learn new tricks.

I have never bought a used vehicle in all my years of driving. I have driven vehicles up to 15 years. I have never replaced an engine, or a major engine part. No one I know has either, except a friend that bought an old Porsche and rebuilt it in his basement.

Yes, if you only bought older, used vehicles in your life, it might me a bit more common than uncommon, but not for the overall population.

Consumer Reports notes that engine replacements are rare. https://www.consumerreports.org/car...ed-an-engine-rebuild-what-to-buy-a3227614920/

your argument that engines don’t need replaced is an article saying its prevelant enough to have specific vehicles to avoid? Interesting.

ok Fox News…..

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