Door plungers removed on 2024 models?

[macchiaz-o]

The front doors have a handle, so no need for presenters. The rear doors have no handle, so you can't eliminate them unless you add a handle. I remember the front door handles have zero aerodynamic cost because they're behind the mirrors in the airflow.

That's how I remember it, too.

The presenters were great in ice we got a few weeks ago. Pretty sure I would have broke off the little handle otherwise. Much easier to get a door open then on our other vehicles.

Yes, Ford touted how the presenters are strong enough to break through a good deal of ice. Here's an old discussion about it.

I suppose now that they've removed the front door presenters they wish they'd never mentioned that ice breaking benefit.

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[Space_Pony]

I actually think they are kind of cool. I doubt they fail that often and I think they add a touch of uniqueness and “premium feel” to the Mustang Mach-E. Kind of like the thought that (used to) go into the packaging of Apple products. Steve wanted the packaging to provide the new owner with a unique and premium experience and the packaging was designed to “present” the new product to the owner. If Ford keeps decontenting, after a while, they may as well just slap a “Fiesta L” decal on the vehicle and call it a day ?

It's called shrinkflation. You pay more for less.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Well, you can always think of those extremely rare edge cases (like the 12V battery going low enough to prevent the doors opening, but not low enough for the frunk cables to work; or a volcano spontaneously erupting nearby ?) but I prefer to live in a happy, optimistic world where things “just work” ???

Tell that to the people who have had very small kids trapped in their cars. Edge case indeed.

 

[Jimrpa]

Tell that to the people who have had very small kids trapped in their cars. Edge case indeed.

Understood. But I also keep reading that Ford has capacitors in the doors that are able to open the doors in a failsafe condition up to 20 times, even with the 12V battery disconnected, so I’m not sure what to believe? In any event, aren’t some door handles that “look” conventional actually just switches for electrical actuators? I am likely mistaken, but I thought I saw that on some other cars where you are squeezing the “handle” to open the door?

 

[markboris]

Understood. But I also keep reading that Ford has capacitors in the doors that are able to open the doors in a failsafe condition up to 20 times, even with the 12V battery disconnected, so I’m not sure what to believe? In any event, aren’t some door handles that “look” conventional actually just switches for electrical actuators? I am likely mistaken, but I thought I saw that on some other cars where you are squeezing the “handle” to open the door?

Jim, I could be wrong but I think the issue is if the car is locked and the battery is dead, people are having a problem getting in. If the car is unlocked and the battery is dead OR disconnected, there is a capacitor in EACH door module that allows you to open the doors from outside or inside many times. On the outside you must push the door button twice slowly and on the inside you have to pull the door handle back twice. I've never counted but have had my battery on all three Mach-E's disconnected for days while working on them and I'm always able to open the doors. The car is always in the garage and never locked. I never have the walk away lock turned on. You cannot electrically open the rear liftgate when the battery is dead or disconnected but you can mechanically open it from the inside.

I know you saw this video but posting it again for other that may not have. This is a couple of weeks ago after having my LVB disconnected for two days because I had torn apart the entire interior (headliner, seats, carpet, console, A, B, C Pillars) finishing the sound deadening.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Understood. But I also keep reading that Ford has capacitors in the doors that are able to open the doors in a failsafe condition up to 20 times, even with the 12V battery disconnected, so I’m not sure what to believe? In any event, aren’t some door handles that “look” conventional actually just switches for electrical actuators? I am likely mistaken, but I thought I saw that on some other cars where you are squeezing the “handle” to open the door?

It’s what Mark said. The doors can open if they’re unlocked. If they’re locked is when the issue arises. I suspect the vast majority of owners have walk-away lock turned on as well negating the dead battery backup. There needs to be a failsafe method to get the door open outside of a brick, rock or crowbar.

 

[Mach-Lee]

FYI the issue with the infant lockout was the 12V died right after shutting the car off before she opened the door, hence it was still locked from driving. The unlock signal is not sent until a door is opened, and since there was no power when the door was opened the unlock signal was not sent. Disabling walkway lock would not have prevented it. It’s just a perfect storm of conditions that caused it, it’s quite rare to get that specific type of failure.

 

[Jimrpa]

Jim, I could be wrong but I think the issue is if the car is locked and the battery is dead, people are having a problem getting in. If the car is unlocked and the battery is dead OR disconnected, there is a capacitor in EACH door module that allows you to open the doors from outside or inside many times. On the outside you must push the door button twice slowly and on the inside you have to pull the door handle back twice. I've never counted but have had my battery on all three Mach-E's disconnected for days while working on them and I'm always able to open the doors. The car is always in the garage and never locked. I never have the walk away lock turned on. You cannot electrically open the rear liftgate when the battery is dead or disconnected but you can mechanically open it from the inside.

I know you saw this video but posting it again for other that may not have. This is a couple of weeks ago after having my LVB disconnected for two days because I had torn apart the entire interior (headliner, seats, carpet, console, A, B, C Pillars) finishing the sound deadening.

Thanks so much for the clarification Mark. I really appreciate the education you and others provide here!

Again, I’m not unsympathetic to people who may inadvertently have loved ones or pets trapped in a vehicle. I’m just a bit sensitive to implications (in other threads and by other posters) that Ford engineers are knowingly and deliberately designing vehicles to endanger people and pets. While I am not associated with Ford Motor Company in any way (other than owning their products), I have my own reasons for taking those insinuations very personally.

 

[dalola]

Thanks so much for the clarification Mark. I really appreciate the education you and others provide here!

Again, I’m not unsympathetic to people who may inadvertently have loved ones or pets trapped in a vehicle. I’m just a bit sensitive to implications (in other threads and by other posters) that Ford engineers are knowingly and deliberately designing vehicles to endanger people and pets. While I am not associated with Ford Motor Company in any way (other than owning their products), I have my own reasons for taking those insinuations very personally.

People get frustrated for sure, but I don't think anyone is implying Ford created this situation "intentionally" to do harm, they have zero reason to do such a thing. It's most likely a combination of cost cutting, risk management, and market research. I know that doesn't make it any easier to swallow, but it has to be viewed in a rational manner.

 

[phil]

I don't think anyone is implying Ford created this situation "intentionally" to do harm, they have zero reason to do such a thing.

Have you met Ford's Vice President of Design Engineering?

 

[dalola]

Have you met Ford's Vice President of Design Engineering?

As a matter of fact, he & his lovely wife were over for dinner just the other night....?

 

[Jimrpa]

People get frustrated for sure, but I don't think anyone is implying Ford created this situation "intentionally" to do harm, they have zero reason to do such a thing. It's most likely a combination of cost cutting, risk management, and market research. I know that doesn't make it any easier to swallow, but it has to be viewed in a rational manner.

There was at least one individual who was claiming that Ford should be held criminally liable for the failure mode.
Yes, Ford does things to take out cost, and I have no problem calling them out on those decisions. I can only say that none of the Ford employees I’ve known went to work each morning, trying to figure out sneaky ways to injure drivers, passengers, or others with the vehicles, and I find that suggestion repulsive.

 

[dalola]

There was at least one individual who was claiming that Ford should be held criminally liable for the failure mode.
Yes, Ford does things to take out cost, and I have no problem calling them out on those decisions. I can only say that none of the Ford employees I’ve known went to work each morning, trying to figure out sneaky ways to injure drivers, passengers, or others with the vehicles, and I find that suggestion repulsive.

Totally agree with you. The fringe are out there, unfortunately...?

 

[disneyfun1]

Just got our 2024 9 days ago, built in July 2024 and does not have the door poppers on them. I miss it already like my 2022 had for so long.

 

[Space_Pony]

Just got our 2024 9 days ago, built in July 2024 and does not have the door poppers on them. I miss it already like my 2022 had for so long.

Are there handles on your rear doors? If not how do you pull them open?

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