Energy saved with a 2025 heat pump during winter driving?

[YeOldeTraveller]

Since I have all my continrency gear inthe frunk, I use that all the time. A heat pump would help in limited conditions.

I expect that might be a reason I keep this 2024 instead of replacing it in a few years.

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[Anvil Jr.]

Not worth the upgrade for me because of the frunk shrink...

The smaller frunk would be a deal breaker for me. I play in a band and carry a lot of stuff. My small guitar amp even fits in the front along with other equipment.

 

[Phil_Gtown]

Exactly, it depends on many factors but as myself a Canadian I thought heat pumps was the answer to our significant Winter range loss.
my answer is, it depends were you live or how cold your winters are.

car heat pump typically operates most efficiently within a temperature range of about 20°F to 50°F (-6°C to 10°C)

For me, most winter is colder than 20 F so heat pump would not help that much. If you have soft or mild winters than yes your in luck, your in its zone of efficiency.

 

[SolarAB]

How old is your heat-pump? Cold climate version? Plenty of your fellow Canadians report that their heat-pumps are fine down to -20C or below.

I suppose the more relevant question is what the prime operating range is for the Ford heat pump.

 

[SolarAB]

2025 Mustang Mach-E - Full tour & new details at the LA Auto Show! - YouTube

Talking about the heat pump starts @ 7:55 into the video

he says it has the largest benefit 10-40 Fahrenheit and over 85 Fahrenheit

Minus 12 C for Canadians. Current temp: -8C

 

[Triumphator]

I leased my M-e CR1 in Nov. of 2023. I love it and have had zero problems. The only downside is how much my range suffers driving from near San Francisco to my cabin on Donner Summit above Truckee during the winter (the drive is 178 miles yet I barely make it during the winter or need top up on the way).

I read that the 2025 models will have a heat pump. My dealer said he would be happy to tear up my current lease and give me a new lease for a 2025 (with the lower MSRP and incentives, I would probably save a bunch of $$ too).

Here's my question. How much battery charge would I save with the heat pump in a 2025 compared to my current 2023 without one?

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving!

The saving from the heat pump depends greatly on the distance you drive. I figured out via OBD that the resistor heater only uses a lot of power within the first few miles. Once the base temperature in the car is reached, the heater is only controlled in pulses. Conclusion: It won't do you any good on your desired trip. The shorter your driving distance, the more effective the heat pump is in average.

 

[dbsb3233]

Ford has very carefully not quantified that in any of their pre-production publicity (that I’ve seen). I suspect if there were a substantial savings, they’d be shouting it from the rooftops.
However, if you read some of the other threads, people who have both the Mustang Mach-E and Teslas are reporting a roughly 20 mile range improvement with the Tesla over the Mustang in cold weather.

That's probably the ballpark that I would expect. 20 miles on 300 range is 6-7%. Only when it's cold.

We do a lot of long road trips in all seasons. For many of them, I took a pic of the trip meter at the end of the trip. The worst on I show for Climate Use shows 12% (January, in 10F-30F temps). Usually it's more like 7-9% in Winter temps in the 20F-40F range. In the Summer it's usually 2%. I leave climate control on all the time, regardless of the weather.

If a heat pump only uses around 1/3rd the power of a resistance heater, 6-7% savings seems like it would be about right in cold temps. Less in cool temps. Presumably, they shouldn't add any extra range in mild weather since we're using little-to-no heating/cooling.

 

[zooka]

I'm surprised they would tear up the lease. I wonder what they get out of doing that.

True , because dealers usually are not the company that hold the lease more of the middleman. They would have to give you at least what you owe plus residual to even be able to make it work. Otherwise you would be paying out of pocket or adding money back on to the new lease.

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