Energy saved with a 2025 heat pump during winter driving?

[drjimtaylor]

I leased my M-e CR1 in Nov. of 2023. I love it and have had zero problems. The only downside is how much my range suffers driving from near San Francisco to my cabin on Donner Summit above Truckee during the winter (the drive is 178 miles yet I barely make it during the winter or need top up on the way).

I read that the 2025 models will have a heat pump. My dealer said he would be happy to tear up my current lease and give me a new lease for a 2025 (with the lower MSRP and incentives, I would probably save a bunch of $$ too).

Here's my question. How much battery charge would I save with the heat pump in a 2025 compared to my current 2023 without one?

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving!

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[devmach-e]

Nobody knows since the 2025s aren't in production yet, and won't arrive until early March at the earliest. We also don't know what the COP (coefficient of performance) is for the heat pumps used and at what temperatures. If it is 3, as is for a lot of household heatpumps, that means that you'll cut your energy usage for heating the cabin by two-thirds.

Edited: to correct how much it will actually use.

 

[Teslaeata]

Nobody will commit themselves to any figures for all sorts of reasons.

One thing for sure is that it takes up froot space which was very disappointing when I considered a replacement Stang.

 

[RickMachE]

Nobody will commit themselves to any figures for all sorts of reasons.

One thing for sure is that it takes up froot space which was very disappointing when I considered a replacement Stang.

I know, right. Ford has a nerve taking up froot space on the Mach-E. It's limited as it is, and then they take up more of it! I can't fit all my Fruit Loops!

 

[Jimrpa]

I leased my M-e CR1 in Nov. of 2023. I love it and have had zero problems. The only downside is how much my range suffers driving from near San Francisco to my cabin on Donner Summit above Truckee during the winter (the drive is 178 miles yet I barely make it during the winter or need top up on the way).

I read that the 2025 models will have a heat pump. My dealer said he would be happy to tear up my current lease and give me a new lease for a 2025 (with the lower MSRP and incentives, I would probably save a bunch of $$ too).

Here's my question. How much battery charge would I save with the heat pump in a 2025 compared to my current 2023 without one?

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving!

Ford has very carefully not quantified that in any of their pre-production publicity (that I’ve seen). I suspect if there were a substantial savings, they’d be shouting it from the rooftops.
However, if you read some of the other threads, people who have both the Mustang Mach-E and Teslas are reporting a roughly 20 mile range improvement with the Tesla over the Mustang in cold weather.

 

[Byrus]

I'm surprised they would tear up the lease. I wonder what they get out of doing that.

 

[Mustangor]

I leased my M-e CR1 in Nov. of 2023. I love it and have had zero problems. The only downside is how much my range suffers driving from near San Francisco to my cabin on Donner Summit above Truckee during the winter (the drive is 178 miles yet I barely make it during the winter or need top up on the way).

I read that the 2025 models will have a heat pump. My dealer said he would be happy to tear up my current lease and give me a new lease for a 2025 (with the lower MSRP and incentives, I would probably save a bunch of $$ too).

Here's my question. How much battery charge would I save with the heat pump in a 2025 compared to my current 2023 without one?

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving!

Not worth the upgrade for me because of the frunk shrink...

 

[dalola]

Does it even matter if you are getting a new car for less money, that is arguably going to be x-times more efficient? Just do it, and then see how much better it is. Seems like a no-brainer to me, if you like the MME. ?

 

[4wheeldog]

I leased my M-e CR1 in Nov. of 2023. I love it and have had zero problems. The only downside is how much my range suffers driving from near San Francisco to my cabin on Donner Summit above Truckee during the winter (the drive is 178 miles yet I barely make it during the winter or need top up on the way).

I read that the 2025 models will have a heat pump. My dealer said he would be happy to tear up my current lease and give me a new lease for a 2025 (with the lower MSRP and incentives, I would probably save a bunch of $$ too).

Here's my question. How much battery charge would I save with the heat pump in a 2025 compared to my current 2023 without one?

Thanks and happy Thanksgiving!

I suspect your range issue has more to do with going uphill to your cabin. How much range do you have when you get home? I doubt a heat pump vs. resistance heating will gain you 10% range even in zero weather, considering you are starting your trip in a relatively warm area.

 

[nuMach]

so - winter and heat pumps.

I have a heat pump for my home and its great till about -8Centigrade.
After that its useless.

My main electric furnace kicks in then.

so thinking the MME would have a heater for backup as it does now.

Leaves southern states, and summers only in northern areas for heat pumps

Course I live in Canada where igloos and dog sleds are normal year round.

 

[Jimrpa]

I'm surprised they would tear up the lease. I wonder what they get out of doing that.

Credit for a sale?

 

[devmach-e]

so - winter and heat pumps.

I have a heat pump for my home and its great till about -8Centigrade.
After that its useless.

My main electric furnace kicks in then.

How old is your heat-pump? Cold climate version? Plenty of your fellow Canadians report that their heat-pumps are fine down to -20C or below.

 

[Mach1E]

It depends.

You can do the math on exactly how much energy a heat pump uses and exactly how much energy an electric heater uses.

But it still depends.

It depends on how much you run the heater.

It depends on how cold it is outside.

It depends on how fast you drive.

The last one probably makes the biggest difference. Heaters use the same amount of energy no matter what speed you drive. Energy usage is based on time.

So at 60 mph, the range hit is half of what it would be at 30 mph.

Easiest comparison would be a model 3. It comes with and without a heat pump.

 

[tuminatr]

2025 Mustang Mach-E - Full tour & new details at the LA Auto Show! - YouTube

Talking about the heat pump starts @ 7:55 into the video

he says it has the largest benefit 10-40 Fahrenheit and over 85 Fahrenheit

 

[mateo]

My issue is that at 40 and below the car cannot even produce warm air when in motion. I don't even turn the heater on at that point.

So if the heat pump can actually warm the car, I'd call that a win even if the range is still terrible...

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