EREV F-150 Lightning to replace EV model [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[A-A-Ron]

I’m gonna trust that Ford has a better read on consumer demand and their strategic plan to remain profitable than EV enthusiasts.

Nobody is making an EV truck that can tow without massive range loss. And nobody will. Not with current battery tech. An EV F-150 was a fool’s errand. Not just my opinion - the market’s opinion.

I also don’t think the politics of this are gonna change markedly even after the Dems regain control. Polling indicates that “climate change” barely registers as a concern anymore - and this trend seems to be bearing out globally - and even some Dems seem embarrassed how much of a boondoggle things like the “Green New Deal” and CAFE standards were.

I think Ford had a decent read on the prevailing winds… until the tech significantly improves. I’m glad Ford is adapting.

Yeah, you'd really think Ford has a better read on things. That's why they also took a $20bn charge for this pivot, because they definitely didn't misread things last time.

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[4sallypat]

I have a reservation for the upcoming Scout Terra and Slate truck - will see if Ford comes out with a Ranger EREV which is what I really prefer.

 

[dalola]

EREV Mach E would be fantastic if they could pull it off. Same great car but with no range anxiety? Sign me up

I'm not sure EREV makes a lot of sense, period. I can kind of see the case for a half ton pickup, for those who regularly tow/haul, work trucks, etc.. but it's still a limited market, IMO. I think it makes far better sense to emphasize ICE & BEV separately, in specific models, that can take advantage of the strengths of each system. With the current technology & energy infrastructure, there is no one size fits all answer, but rather, smart integration of the best of our existing technologies.

 

[nvabill]

$$ PRICE - PAYLOAD - TOWING CAPACITY

Sorry to interrupt the discussion about global warming, cafe standards, politics, charging infrastructure, public opinion, EV adoption, tax subsidies and Ford finances but, does anyone have the slightest idea or interest in what really matters about this new truck?

This is what I want to know in the best order I can come up with but please feel free to correct me about what I am asking. I want to know when will the new Lightning be available to purchase, price, payload capacity, towing capacity. battery size, battery only range, trim levels etc. etc. etc., does anyone have this information or a link to this info?

 

[dalola]

$$ PRICE - PAYLOAD - TOWING CAPACITY

Sorry to interrupt the discussion about global warming, cafe standards, politics, charging infrastructure, public opinion, EV adoption, tax subsidies and Ford finances but, does anyone have the slightest idea or interest in what really matters about this new truck?

This is what I want to know in the best order I can come up with but please feel free to correct me about what I am asking. I want to know when will the new Lightning be available to purchase, price, payload capacity, towing capacity. battery size, battery only range, trim levels etc. etc. etc., does anyone have this information or a link to this info?

If that information was available, it would be posted

 

[RickMachE]

$$ PRICE - PAYLOAD - TOWING CAPACITY

Sorry to interrupt the discussion about global warming, cafe standards, politics, charging infrastructure, public opinion, EV adoption, tax subsidies and Ford finances but, does anyone have the slightest idea or interest in what really matters about this new truck?

This is what I want to know in the best order I can come up with but please feel free to correct me about what I am asking. I want to know when will the new Lightning be available to purchase, price, payload capacity, towing capacity. battery size, battery only range, trim levels etc. etc. etc., does anyone have this information or a link to this info?

None of that information exists yet.

 

[nvabill]

Thanks, sure would be nice to know some of this.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Thanks, sure would be nice to know some of this.

Yes but Ford hasn’t released any of that information because the information doesn’t exist. The new Lightning is nothing more than an idea at this point. There’s been precious little work done on it. None of the logistical support issues with repurposing factories has been done. No tooling has been ordered because the Not-A—Lightning hasn’t even started the design process, let alone entered its final form or been in testing.

The range quote? Yeah, designed to wow and impress at this point. The range number was an answer to a theoretical question is all. The new Lightning is simply an idea. At the very best Ford will have it available for production in 2 years, but probably not before 3 years.

They threw us a bone to try and disguise a full fledged retreat.

 

[celestial_knight]

I'm not sure EREV makes a lot of sense, period. I can kind of see the case for a half ton pickup, for those who regularly tow/haul, work trucks, etc.. but it's still a limited market, IMO. I think it makes far better sense to emphasize ICE & BEV separately, in specific models, that can take advantage of the strengths of each system. With the current technology & energy infrastructure, there is no one size fits all answer, but rather, smart integration of the best of our existing technologies.

You and Kamel and I are talking about the same thing. “If they can pull it off”

Ford has a grand vision and good direction but the competition is quite formidable. They and the United States are beginning to starve for talent because of the decline of Stem

They’ll need to focus their efforts on that will put them in position to be long term viable

A main restriction on the spread of EVs is the lack of residential charging. The housing market is in crisis and many Americans live in apartments. This is a problem to an extent even in China

Without residential charging the EV project becomes a lot more tenuous. You have to go find charging stations, plan around charging, potentially degrade the battery, etc

There are more and more charging stations everywhere more and it can be fun to see other cars. But it’s a lot of time spent

EREVs, practical ones, would solve the problem. You would basically fill quickly at the gas station. This keeps us dependent on gasoline for a while, but of course so would a gas car. it’s important to have a bridge technology

And because of electric drive motors, they can be far more fun than gas cars, as we know

 

[nvabill]

Yes but Ford hasn’t released any of that information because the information doesn’t exist. The new Lightning is nothing more than an idea at this point. There’s been precious little work done on it. None of the logistical support issues with repurposing factories has been done. No tooling has been ordered because the Not-A—Lightning hasn’t even started the design process, let alone entered its final form or been in testing.

The range quote? Yeah, designed to wow and impress at this point. The range number was an answer to a theoretical question is all. The new Lightning is simply an idea. At the very best Ford will have it available for production in 2 years, but probably not before 3 years.

They threw us a bone to try and disguise a full fledged retreat.

In other words just a sketch on a drawing board if they even have that.

 

[dalola]

You and Kamel and I are talking about the same thing. “If they can pull it off”

Ford has a grand vision and good direction but the competition is quite formidable. They and the United States are beginning to starve for talent because of the decline of Stem

They’ll need to focus their efforts on that will put them in position to be long term viable

A main restriction on the spread of EVs is the lack of residential charging. The housing market is in crisis and many Americans live in apartments. This is a problem to an extent even in China

Without residential charging the EV project becomes a lot more tenuous. You have to go find charging stations, plan around charging, potentially degrade the battery, etc

There are more and more charging stations everywhere more and it can be fun to see other cars. But it’s a lot of time spent

EREVs, practical ones, would solve the problem. You would basically fill quickly at the gas station. This keeps us dependent on gasoline for a while, but of course so would a gas car. it’s important to have a bridge technology

And because of electric drive motors, they can be far more fun than gas cars, as we know

I get your point, but I don't think EREV's solve any problem, they are just a complex, expensive band-aid. The real problem(s) to wide spread electrification is multi-faceted.....battery technology, and public charging lead the way. Sure, the tech is improving, but it's a slow game. We have MANY years before it's a mainstream solution. Until then, I maintain the ICE/BEV separation game plan is the best path forward. The tech & market will evolve at the proper pace. Contrary to what some may believe, there is no immediate or long term planetary threat to ongoing use of fossil fuels. It creates far more advantages to global proliferation, than disadvantages. When the technology advances, and the alternatives start to make sense, the shift will happen because of it's advantages, not because of a reaction to political or ideological pressures.

 

[Tampamike]

EREV - it’s the worst of both worlds. Small battery and small gas engine And you get to haul them both around all the time whether you need them or not.

 

[Snakebitten]

How do we KNOW for sure, how far along Ford might be, at this point, on an EREV truck?

I know it is just now "leaked", so to speak, but I haven't seen anything concrete enough to convince me of where they are in the dream/concept <> to manufacturing.

The dream <> manufacture time window is way longer than most might believe. If the public "hears" about a new released vehicle that is available for purchase 2 years later, that public information was released on the backend of the time window.

Or put another way, if an EREV truck from Ford is available as a 2029 model, Ford has been doing design and testing for at least a couple of years already, I would think.

I read somewhere that the Gen14 F150 (2021) was already in the works when the Gen13 was released in 2017?

 

[dalola]

How do we KNOW for sure, how far along Ford might be, at this point, on an EREV truck?

I know it is just now "leaked", so to speak, but I haven't seen anything concrete enough to convince me of where they are in the dream/concept <> to manufacturing.

The dream <> manufacture time window is way longer than most might believe. If the public "hears" about a new released vehicle that is available for purchase 2 years later, that public information was released on the backend of the time window.

Or put another way, if an EREV truck from Ford is available as a 2029 model, Ford has been doing design and testing for at least a couple of years already, I would think.

I read somewhere that the Gen14 F150 (2021) was already in the works when the Gen13 was released in 2017?

When I retired a few years ago from OEM-PD (not Ford), most ICE product cycles (concept to MP) were around 36 months, give or take. COVID screwed that up for a few years. I would imagine BEV variants might be a little longer. I'm sure Ford is already in the early design phase of this EREV, but I would not expect anything to MP for at least a couple years, unless they are further along than they are letting on.

 

[Sikkun]

Oh no *clutches pearls* how a government operates has real world consequences and *gasp* people talk about it in MY safe space.

Get the mods!!!!

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