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[dalola]

Norway has a ton of money: Roughly $1.8 trillion. They can afford to have a homogeneous network of level 2/3 EV stations.

It is also about the size of Montana.

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[Spacey]

Norway has a ton of money: Roughly $1.8 trillion. They can afford to have a homogeneous network of level 2/3 EV stations.

Meanwhile, the US has $37 trillion of debt. The Feds allocated billions towards new EV stations: The result? $800 million ÷ 31 stations ≈ $26 million per station. One Maine project averaged ~$165,000 per charger (roughly $660,000 for a 4-port station).

And yet somehow I added a level 2 charger to my house for $800, including the hardware and the installation.

I was replying to the post about cold weather and EVs are not compatible, citing Norway as an example with cold weather so if Norway is suitable then anywhere else would be compatible.

 

[Spacey]

It is also about the size of Montana.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Sikkun]

Americans tend to think it is impossible to do something unless we came up with the way to do it. And refuse to admit any other country could do something that would ever work here because we are special and unique. (And we didn’t come up with it first so must be a stupid idea).

At least we get to have people arguing if you don’t tip 40% you shouldn’t eat out. And flat out lying about anything being an effective debate strategy.

 

[Mache_Nor]

Fun fact: if you were to go from south to north in Norway; it is over 3000 km. In direct line it is close to 2000 km. Dunno about Montana but we are not THAT small
USA is around 4500 km I believe. Then again, we are 5 million, you are 300.

 

[dalola]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

If you are developing infrastructure, seems like a big advantage to me.

 

[BamaGene]

Yeah, not nearly as bulky, but the charging-station design makes it hard to get a spot.

Again, EVs can be a real pain for many people. I don't mind it too much because I charge at home, but I get why many people don't want the hassle.

Technically I believe it is car design. Tesla charging stations were out long before the MachE, it is just that Ford decided on a different setup. I do agree that V4 charging stations are bulky/heavy tho.

 

[BamaGene]

The estimate in Apple Maps matched the one on the Ford dashboard exactly. Too many variables to be 100% accurate: HVAC, wind resistance, temperature, car speed, etc.

Norwegians (much worse winter than continental US) would like a word with you, 90% or more of their new cars are EV, we just have to educate ourselves better. I’ve driven my M3P up from Florida ton Wisconsin in December, no problems.

 

[RickMachE]

Norway has a ton of money: Roughly $1.8 trillion. They can afford to have a homogeneous network of level 2/3 EV stations.

Meanwhile, the US has $37 trillion of debt. The Feds allocated billions towards new EV stations: The result? $800 million ÷ 31 stations ≈ $26 million per station. One Maine project averaged ~$165,000 per charger (roughly $660,000 for a 4-port station).

And yet somehow I added a level 2 charger to my house for $800, including the hardware and the installation.

Yes, your cost to install a 240v charger is totally comparable to the cost to install say 6 chargers producing 350kW each. Totally. Absolutely. Just like building your house is totally comparable to building a 50 story skyscraper. You couldn't be more spot on.

When I see these NEVI comments I have to laugh.

First, the funds went to 50 states. Each state, within the NEVI guidelines, does their process. A state like Maine has much less leverage due to less chargers going in than a state like California for example.

Your $800 million / 31 stations is simply STUPID, and INCORRECT, an editorial from a piece of crap newspaper in Las Vegas hidden behind a firewall. To be clear, I am not calling you stupid, I am calling the editorial stupid.

As of October 2025, 121 stations have opened across 16 states. The average build time was 117 days. Way, what? That's bigger than 31. That's like 4 times 31.

The number of new locations has been rapidly accelerating. Here's a map of NEVI sties ptu together by someone. Dark red is open. Orange is under construction.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=14pH2Uv7plQPidEGYhnpTa1nwTgTC80Q&ll=38.96745439084669,-95.71755760295841&z=5

The need for immediate gratification in this country is pretty mind numbing. Funding allocated, plans put together, funding given out (and then retracted by Washington), bids requested and submitted, sites acquired, equipment ordered (including transformers in short supply), ...

HEY, WHY ISN'T THIS ALL DONE IN ONE DAY?

 

[rreddy3]

Fun fact: if you were to go from south to north in Norway; it is over 3000 km. In direct line it is close to 2000 km. Dunno about Montana but we are not THAT small
USA is around 4500 km I believe. Then again, we are 5 million, you are 300.

Out of curiosity I looked up the area comparison. In total area Norway is slightly larger than Montana. They’re both about 380,000 square km. If you count land only, then the balance shifts to Montana being larger. They’re both full of stunning scenery but the fjords are incomparable.

 

[RickMachE]

In Norway, the number of EV chargers per square mile / EV on the road / person is so far above the US that it's not funny.

 

[dalola]

Fun fact: if you were to go from south to north in Norway; it is over 3000 km. In direct line it is close to 2000 km. Dunno about Montana but we are not THAT small
USA is around 4500 km I believe. Then again, we are 5 million, you are 300.

Yeah, you ARE that small.

Curious about the cost of your public charging? Is it fair (market price) & consistent throughout the country? Is it clearly advertised at each location? Are they all run by a single entity?

 

[RickMachE]

Yeah, you ARE that small.

Curious about the cost of your public charging? Is it fair (market price) & consistent throughout the country? Is it clearly advertised at each location? Are they all run by a single entity?

What's the price of gas in Norway? $7.38 per gallon.
What's the price of electricity in Norway at a home? ~ 16 cents
What's the price of public charging in Norway? 45 to 80 cents per kWh

With gas at that price, they don't give a rat's behind.

 

[Mache_Nor]

Yeah, you ARE that small.

Curious about the cost of your public charging? Is it fair (market price) & consistent throughout the country? Is it clearly advertised at each location? Are they all run by a single entity?

I’ll write in NOK, so divide on 10/11 to det dollar roughly.

kwh depends on stations and locations; everything from 2 NOK pr. KWh up to 6-7 NOK. Fuel roughly around 20 NOK pr. liter. Fast charging is not that much more cheap, but usually you only do it in trips while charging from home (with prices varying but about 0-2 NOK pr KWh.

As for labeling, it is getting better (laws are in their way with clear marking ans card payment), but still can be app-shit-fiesta still. Different companies, while Tesla is clearly biggest.

 

[Blue highway]

One of the problems, as I see it, is that charging locations are not set up for EVs with EV equipment in tow. You would take up an entire row of Tesla superchargers, and no way to use a hotel charger. Would mean dropping your tow. At least with an EREV, you can pull up to a pump, fill and go. This did just give me an idea....imagine EREV stations with high speed chargers while you are filling your generator tank.

Imagine this... waiting in line for 90 minutes in the cold to charge your MME behind some EREVS that could otherwise just use gas....

We have EREV stations.... they are called gas stations.

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