EV property tax

[johnnycombo]

A regular Mustang weighs 3700 lbs and my Premium AWD ER weighs 4800 lbs., 30% heavier.

Still not that big of a deal, pointing to the weight of an EV as a problem is just an anti-ev excuse. During business hours you can't drive in my area without seeing a tri-axle dump truck and they're routinely overweight, That's why the state troopers have a scale truck. Fossil fuel companies are dumping big money into our politicians to go against electric vehicles, the least we can do is point out their BS excuses.

https://www.autopadre.com/vehicle-weight/ford-mustang
https://mavink.com/explore/Dump-Truck-Axle-Weight-Chart

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[zvez]

Tennessee adds it onto your yearly License plate registration. Unfortunately it is higher than one would spend in gas tax for the average driver.

$100 for Hybrid
$200 for BEV

Plus the regular plate fee

It's also scheduled to increase in a couple of years to $274 for BEV

some of the states are offering a two tiered system of EV fees, a higher flat rate (which would benefit people who do a lot of miles) and a mileage based rate (which benefit people that don't drive so much). I'm in the don't drive so much group, so the $210 GA ev fee which translates to the tax on 800 gallons of gas is far more than I ever use in a year.

 

[garyd9]

So everyone goes to EV, no more people paying gas tax, how do the roads get maintained.

If GA is anything like PA, they'd get maintained the same as they do when there IS tax income: extremely poorly.

 

[zvez]

https://www.autopadre.com/vehicle-weight/ford-mustang
https://mavink.com/explore/Dump-Truck-Axle-Weight-Chart

you don't have to really go to big dump trucks in terms of comparison. Here in GA, the big pickup trucks are extremely popular here, and they're as heavy or heavier than any EV.

It's funny, on the weight thing, I've a friend who likes to have "gotcha moments" He was telling me he read an article that said parking garages were not designed for the weight of EVs and they're at risk of collapse if too many evs park in them!!

 

[zvez]

If GA is anything like PA, they'd get maintained the same as they do when there IS tax income: extremely poorly.

PA highways and interstates are the worst I've ever driven.. GA actually enacted an amendment to the state constitution that gas tax would be used solely for road maintenance and construction.

 

[TRP]

some of the states are offering a two tiered system of EV fees, a higher flat rate (which would benefit people who do a lot of miles) and a mileage based rate (which benefit people that don't drive so much). I'm in the don't drive so much group, so the $210 GA ev fee which translates to the tax on 800 gallons of gas is far more than I ever use in a year.

I've averaged 28000 miles per year on the Mach E, so I think I'm in the above average driver category. I haven't done the math to see how many gallons of gas it translates to. I'm certain I don't want to go to a mileage based system even tho I feel the $200 fee is a bit too high

 

[ADDZ71]

Just took a look at my plate renewal bill and got the $214 add on as well. I agree that EV's should pay a fee in lieu of the gas tax collected for road maintenance but would point out that this fee goes into the general fund and not the road maintenance fund. This in many ways is just politicians making a money grab on what they perceive as a group that can afford it compared to lower income individuals. Goes against the idea that EV's should be competitive against ICE's. As an aside, I also have a diesel pickup truck that weighs nearly 2 tons more than the MME. The state fuel tax collected in NC for 10K miles of driving annually is $201 and the fed component would be $133 for a total of $334. The renewal fee is almost exactly $300 more for the MME and they are roughly equal in value.

 

[zvez]

Just took a look at my plate renewal bill and got the $214 add on as well. I agree that EV's should pay a fee in lieu of the gas tax collected for road maintenance but would point out that this fee goes into the general fund and not the road maintenance fund. This in many ways is just politicians making a money grab on what they perceive as a group that can afford it compared to lower income individuals. Goes against the idea that EV's should be competitive against ICE's. As an aside, I also have a diesel pickup truck that weighs nearly 2 tons more than the MME. The state fuel tax collected in NC for 10K miles of driving annually is $201 and the fed component would be $133 for a total of $334. The renewal fee is almost exactly $300 more for the MME and they are roughly equal in value.

this is a point I hadn't thought about, I need to research this out of curiosity. So GA law mandates all gas tax used for road maint and construction. But the EV is paid to the dept of motor vehicles, so where does that money go?

 

[TRP]

this is a point I hadn't thought about, I need to research this out of curiosity. So GA law mandates all gas tax used for road maint and construction. But the EV is paid to the dept of motor vehicles, so where does that money go?

Same in TN ?‍

 

[zvez]

this is a point I hadn't thought about, I need to research this out of curiosity. So GA law mandates all gas tax used for road maint and construction. But the EV is paid to the dept of motor vehicles, so where does that money go?

So I started reading up a bit, and GA is one of the states considered charging tax on public dc charging. I don't think anyone's doing it yet, but for those who rely on public charging, having to pay tax on that as well as an annual registration fee would seem way out of line.

 

[ack154]

Tennessee adds it onto your yearly License plate registration. Unfortunately it is higher than one would spend in gas tax for the average driver.

$100 for Hybrid
$200 for BEV

Plus the regular plate fee

It's also scheduled to increase in a couple of years to $274 for BEV

Looks like Tennessee is at 27.4 cents per gallon. A conservative 12K/yr at 30 mpg puts that right around $110/yr, so ya, I'd agree it's possibly a little high. Even 15k/yr only bumps that up to $137. I was going to say they probably just wanted a nice, even number to work with - but going up to $274 says 'no'. But it also makes me wonder what the math is on that really specific $274.

Apparently New York is around 48 cents per gallon, so that math changes quite a bit. But again, we don't have an EV tax/fee yet in NY. If I base it on what I was putting in my 4Runner before the Mach-E, that would have been over $300/yr paid just in gas taxes.

 

[zvez]

Looks like Tennessee is at 27.4 cents per gallon. A conservative 12K/yr at 30 mpg puts that right around $110/yr, so ya, I'd agree it's possibly a little high. Even 15k/yr only bumps that up to $137. I was going to say they probably just wanted a nice, even number to work with - but going up to $274 says 'no'. But it also makes me wonder what the math is on that really specific $274.

Apparently New York is around 48 cents per gallon, so that math changes quite a bit. But again, we don't have an EV tax/fee yet in NY. If I base it on what I was putting in my 4Runner before the Mach-E, that would have been over $300/yr paid just in gas taxes.

and the fees vary widely by state. CA ranges from 75 to 150. other states in the 100 range, but 200 seems to be a popular figure for state ev fees.

 

[dbsb3233]

Bullfeathers! It’s just a political accounting gimmick to say that “road use taxes” pay for roads. It is a proper function of government to build and maintain roads. Where the dollars come from is irrelevant. If “road use “ taxes are down in a given year does that mean bridges are not to be maintained? Why does only money specifically earmarked for roads be the only source for funding? Dollars out of my pocket for taxes cost just the same to me whether I pay it out in gasoline taxes or sales tax on diamond studded steering wheels.

Money doesn't just grow on trees, even though the federal government spends it like it does (thus why we're $35T in debt). But states don't have that luxury. They have to balance their budgets.

When tax revenue is down in a given year, yes, some of the hundreds of road projects get delayed. People are always complaining about that. "Why haven't they replaced this old bridge yet?!?". "Why haven't they added more lanes to this highway yet?!?". "Why do they take forever to fix these damn potholes?!?".

There are many sources of road funding. Local streets rely more on property tax revenue, and sales taxes. Interstates rely more on federal gas taxes, with some state funding. State roads rely more on state gas taxes, plus various other funding from vehicle registration fees, sales tax, etc.

Nobody likes paying their taxes or fees, of course (although they sure want OTHERS to pay). Yes, sometimes states steal part of that gas tax money to spend on other stuff. Bad on them for doing it. But in most cases it does go to roads. As that revenue shrinks from more efficient gas vehicles and more EVs displacing them (as has been happening for years), that either has to be replaced another way, or the roads are gonna get worse. Take your pick.

 

[ryano7700]

Kentucky is $120 for BEV and it was $60 for hybrids in 2024 paid with registration. The hybrid fee has been dropped for 2025 which I think is fair since they still use gasoline.

I have driven my Mach about 5,000 miles a year. The gasoline tax is 26.4 cents/gallon so on a 30 mpg car I would have paid $44. Not exactly good for me.

Downside to mileage tax is someone(official) has to record mileage or it is done electronically which runs into privacy issues.

 

[ack154]

Downside to mileage tax is someone(official) has to record mileage or it is done electronically which runs into privacy issues.

Does KY do annual state inspections? That's how it's typically recorded already in other states - not for this purpose, really, but just for record of the inspection (in NY they typically write the mileage on the back of the inspection sticker on your windshield.).

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