Ford Really Wants Your Driving Data

[Gungrave223]

So this is just a follow up from a separate thread...but was just curious about others opinion when it comes to data privacy especially in light of recent reporting of GM selling user driving data to data brokers who then sells that data to insurance companies.

So long story short I went into the connected vehicle features privacy setting and disable a couple of features that I figured were not essential for anything other than providing data to Ford.

Turned out there is one in particular that does a lot more than what the description says

`Share Driving Data` despite the description, does in fact affects the app as toggling it off disables prefer charging, prefer departure time, as well as charge logs syncing. (That last one doesn't really matter unless you do a lot of public charging and care about that metric)

So the question for the community is, is it worth sharing your driving data with Ford? If it means you can set the departure time from the app as well as being able to control charging from the app (and for those who care being able sync charging logs)?

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[GreaseMonkey]

It’s a lost battle, friend. But I’ll join the class action lawsuit and collect my $25.

 

[Gungrave223]

It’s a lost battle, friend. But I’ll join the class action lawsuit and collect my $25.

Lol ... I wouldn't use since it's "technically" free....I just don't see the point in tying app features to their data mining like this....

I'd rather just manually change setting in the car.... insuring an ev is expensive enough ... Don't need my driving habits making it's way back to the insurance companies ?

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Lol ... I wouldn't use since it's "technically" free....I just don't see the point in tying app features to their data mining like this....

I'd rather just manually change setting in the car.... insuring an ev is expensive enough ... Don't need my driving habits making it's way back to the insurance companies ?

Agreed. But Ford showed incredible incompetence in all things digital. I’m not sure they’ll be able to figure out how to fax your data to the insurers.

 

[RickMachE]

Multiple threads on this. Features that require data be sent back to Ford and then to your phone, and involve 3rd party service providers, are shared. Totally logical. No personal data is sold.

 

[Gungrave223]

Multiple threads on this. Features that require data be sent back to Ford and then to your phone, and involve 3rd party service providers, are shared. Totally logical. No personal data is sold.

I don't know the bases of this statement... But let me correct that extremely false statement... Ford ? sells user driving data to LexisNexis...

Second, a user driving data have 0 to do with charging so intertwining the data collection with app features, despite what you think, is not logical at all.

 

[Shepherd]

The last article I read quoted Ford saying they don’t sell or share personal data with insurance companies. FWIW ?

 

[Dysan911]

But why do they require information such as seat belt status, Braking, accelerator pedal, etc data which is all specific to what an Insurance company would want in order to use the preferred charging, preferred departure time and charge logs syncing .

Maybe if they're not selling it now they want to collect it so that option is open later down the road. .

Seems really slimy though that driving data is needed to enable departure time. A feature I had on my Tesla and am using on my Mach-e every day. I guess I'll have to say goodbye to that feature as I'll be turning this data OFF.

 

[RickMachE]

I don't know the bases of this statement... But let me correct that extremely false statement... Ford ? sells user driving data to LexisNexis...

Second, a user driving data have 0 to do with charging so intertwining the data collection with app features, despite what you think, is not logical at all.

Basis...

No, they are not selling your personal data, just data without personal info. If you look at the settings, there is an Insurance button that is by default off.

 

[Gungrave223]

The last article I read quoted Ford saying they don’t sell or share personal data with insurance companies. FWIW ?

Basis...

No, they are not selling your personal data, just data without personal info. If you look at the settings, there is an Insurance button that is by default off.

Did someone let Ford know that they don't sell personal data...

https://www.ford.com/help/privacy/#whowedisclose

(Hopefully that link isn't against forum rules if it is...my apologies)

If you see something in Ford own disclosure that I might be misinterpreting please let me... (I'd rather be knowledgeable than ignorant )

 

[RickMachE]

Did someone let Ford know that they don't sell personal data...

https://www.ford.com/help/privacy/#whowedisclose

(Hopefully that link isn't against forum rules if it is...my apologies)

If you see something in Ford own disclosure that I might be misinterpreting please let me... (I'd rather be knowledgeable than ignorant )

Ford “does not transmit any connected vehicle data to either partner,” said a spokesman, Alan Hall, but partnered with them “to explore ways to support customers” who want to take part in usage-based insurance programs. Ford will share driving behavior from a car directly with an insurance company, he said, when a customer gives explicit consent via an in-vehicle touch screen.

 

[thekat03]

If you tell the car not to talk to the Ford server that the app talks to, how do you expect the app to tell the car when you want to depart or how much to charge to? Sure, it would be better to have a more detailed breakdown of communications that the car can have with the server, but that setting is essentially determining if the car talks to their servers or not.

 

[Gungrave223]

But why do they require information such as seat belt status, Braking, accelerator pedal, etc data which is all specific to what an Insurance company would want in order to use the preferred charging, preferred departure time and charge logs syncing .

Maybe if they're not selling it now they want to collect it so that option is open later down the road. .

Seems really slimy though that driving data is needed to enable departure time. A feature I had on my Tesla and am using on my Mach-e every day. I guess I'll have to say goodbye to that feature as I'll be turning this data OFF.

You can still use this without enabling the feature in the car...

You can set departure time from the charging app inside of the car. One thing that you need to keep in mind is that the app departure time takes precedent over the car departure time.

So you will need to delete it from the app prior to setting it up in the vehicle.

 

[Gungrave223]

If you tell the car not to talk to the Ford server that the app talks to, how do you expect the app to tell the car when you want to depart or how much to charge to? Sure, it would be better to have a more detailed breakdown of communications that the car can have with the server, but that setting is essentially determining if the car talks to their servers or not.

Your argument would only make sense if there wasn't a connected vehicle feature called `vehicle connectivity` which laid the foundation for the connectivity between the car and the app.

Look at it this way. If I created a website and this website uses cookies to determine the user login state and other website specific features the user enable, would this cookie also need to know information about what other website the user goes to in order to be functional for my website? The answer is no right?

Same concept. My driving data has absolutely nothing to do with the app features. The app should not be tied to this specific connectivity toggle.

 

[methorian]

I don't know the bases of this statement... But let me correct that extremely false statement... Ford ? sells user driving data to LexisNexis...

Second, a user driving data have 0 to do with charging so intertwining the data collection with app features, despite what you think, is not logical at all.

Based on the LexisNexus report I received last week, Ford hasn't been supplying them with my data for the past 3 years of Mach-E ownership, and I have never restricted any data sent to Ford.

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