Frunk / Remote Start Questions (Answered)

[generaltso]

For some reason ford pass does not work on my apple watch, it's stuck in a refresh loop

Make sure you've got the latest version of the app. That was a known issue, but was fixed in an update. If you've already got the latest version, try rebooting the phone and watch. If that still doesn't work, try reinstalling the app.

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[generaltso]

How hard could it possibly be to code the Frunk NOT to open unless in Park? Come on guys... I'm beginning to hate this Frunk.

We don't know the specifics of the issue, but it's likely more involved than that.

 

[Jimrpa]

Ok, the solution seems pretty straightforward here:
IF front trunk is open THEN disable power to propulsion units AND set electronic parking brake
IF electronic parking brake is OFF OR drive selector is NOT park THEN DISABLE front trunk electronic controls

not sure why that can’t be easily implemented in the BCM (or equivalent)?

 

[generaltso]

Ok, the solution seems pretty straightforward here:

How can we say the solution is straightforward when we don't know the problem?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

How hard could it possibly be to code the Frunk NOT to open unless in Park? Come on guys... I'm beginning to hate this Frunk.

That’s not the issue at all. They can. Quite easily.

The Frunk issue was discussed ad nauseum earlier in this forums life span. Being far too lazy to dig up an old thread I’ll attempt to summarize.

The Frunk is air-tight. As such, there needs to be an internal release in the event a toddler becomes trapped. Or the Frunk needs to be small enough that a standard sized toddler dummy doll cannot fit within it. Ford has such a release. They also have a Frunk divider to prevent the standard sized toddler doll from getting in. The divider was added late in the process, so it was a retrofit to make the car compliant as it’s unnecessary with a properly compliant Frunk.

Additionally, how far the Frunk lid has to open when the internal release is opened is dependent upon the speed of the car. Stopped, it should open completely. Above 5 mph, just a bit.

So given that there is an inside Frunk release and a divider, we can infer that there’s an issue with the release. That’s been mostly confirmed as a regulatory compliance issue. And it seems that the inside the Frunk release is also part of the remote (fob/FordPass) release system as well. Hence no remote release until the compliance issue is sorted out.

Anyway, that’s what I recall from an old thread. If I’m wrong or if people even think I’m wrong, they’ll point it out.

 

[Badger_Prof]

For some reason ford pass does not work on my apple watch, it's stuck in a refresh loop

That was also true for me until I updated the FordPass app. Might want to delete it and download the current version.

 

[nfoxtrot]

That was also true for me until I updated the FordPass app. Might want to delete it and download the current version.

Works now, thanks!

 

[Jimrpa]

That’s not the issue at all. They can. Quite easily.

The Frunk issue was discussed ad nauseum earlier in this forums life span. Bring far too lazy to dig up an old thread I’ll attempt to summarize.

The Frunk is air tight. As such, there needs to be an internal release in the event a toddler becomes trapped. Or the Frunk needs to be small enough that a standard sized toddler dummy doll cannot fit within it. Ford has such a release. They also have a Frunk divider to prevent the standard sized toddler doll from gettin in. The divider was added late I. The process, so it was a retrofit to make the car compliant as it’s unnecessary with a properly compliant Frunk.

Additionally, how far the Frunk lid has to open when the internal release is opened is dependent upon speed of the car. Stopped, it should open completely. Above 5 mph, just a bit.

So given that there is an inside Frunk release and a divider, we can infer that there’s an issue with the release. That’s been mostly confirmed as a regulatory compliance issue. And it seems that the inside the Frunk release is also part of the remote (fob/FordPass) release system as well. Hence no remote release until the compliance issue is sorted out.

Anyway, that’s what I recall from an old thread. If I’m wrong or if people even think I’m wrong, they’ll point it out.

Is this how the front trunks on Teslas operate? As I understand it from my earlier question, Teslas are the only other cars made with a front trunk?

 

[generaltso]

Is this how the front trunks on Teslas operate? As I understand it from my earlier question, Teslas are the only other cars made with a front trunk?

No, there are others (I-Pace, E-Tron, etc). But most are smaller.

 

[IL_Vet]

Thanks for that information. Do they have any intent to allow remote start from the appropriate type of key fob? I know that PaaK allows remote start. Just for clarity, I'm asking about possible future use of key fobs for remote start? Some of us are key fob people and don't have a desire, need or fully trust PaaK.

 

[generaltso]

Do they have any intent to allow remote start from the appropriate type of key fob?

Very doubtful. If they had intended to allow remote start from the fob, the button would already be there. Unlike the frunk, there’s no regulatory issue preventing it right now.

 

[IL_Vet]

Very doubtful. If they had intended to allow remote start from the fob, the button would already be there. Unlike the frunk, there’s no regulatory issue preventing it right now.

Out of curiosity, I wonder what went into that thinking.... Why put it in the FordPass app but not on the key fob? What are your thoughts?

 

[generaltso]

Out of curiosity, I wonder what went into that thinking.... Why put it in the FordPass app but not on the key fob? What are your thoughts?

In my opinion, Ford sees PaaK as the future and really wants us to use the app. In theory, it can provide more options and deliver real-time status much easier than a fob, not to mention that it doesn’t have a distance limitation. For better or worse, I think that‘s the line of reasoning.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Ok, the solution seems pretty straightforward here:
IF front trunk is open THEN disable power to propulsion units AND set electronic parking brake
IF electronic parking brake is OFF OR drive selector is NOT park THEN DISABLE front trunk electronic controls

not sure why that can’t be easily implemented in the BCM (or equivalent)?

I certainly would want the code to have an "IF driving" in there too. I don't want to have the power go off and the brake kick on at 70mph.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Is this how the front trunks on Teslas operate? As I understand it from my earlier question, Teslas are the only other cars made with a front trunk?

Porsche also has front trunks btw. Loads of em.

The standard-sized toddler dummy may not fit in the Tesla frunks. Some of the Porsche's have the same sized frunk and operate remotely. But Porsche's or Tesla's, may not be air-tight either. The issue seems to be related to the release mechanism in the Frunk. But if we're waiting on regulatory approval for this, that takes time.

Correlation does not equal causation though. Appearances are deceiving. Feel free to add in any other overused axioms.

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