GTPE would you buy it again?

[rsfloodco]

Real story: I’m sporting around by myself in the Colorado foothills. Yes, I sport around and I expect my most expensive GT in history to sport around with me. I go for a higher speed pass on a steep incline. As I near the front of the pass, I hit the limiter making my pass closer than it ever needed to be. Those of you that use it as your commuter and can’t see why the limiter is an issue, leave us performance eager drivers be. And please, stop calling us complainers. It’s factual and we have a right to be disappointed. I spent plenty of time defending Fords use of the Mustang name but no Mustang should have a power limiter. BTW: Ford has offered to buy mine back or swap in for a new 22’ I’m fairly certain my GTPE time is coming to an sad end.

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[8Urchvy]

Changing my vote to No....the acceleration limitations are just too bad to overcome. Traveling on the freeway going 65, accelerating, and then getting the grey slow bars...just kills me. I am afraid to challenge to pass any car on the freeway. It will fall flat on it's face... Ford needs to correct this fast....I assume they have already lost many sales due to this. This car reviewer (Forrest Jones - see link) has 4M followers and says he would never buy it due to the power issues. This is only going to get worse. I believe resale value will be impacted...

 

[Scooby24]

Ford's really going to have to address the limiter if the EV6 GT comes out and actually performs as well as they hint in their marketing video of it racing against supercars and only losing to a McLaren by 1 car length (which happens to run a 10.7)

 

[toggleE]

I wonder how everyone feels. Last night friends asked me if I’d buy the GTPE again. I had to honestly answer NO. I love almost everything about what this car is but the 5 second limiter is to humbling. I was sold a Tesla competitor. The whole 3.5 0-60 and all. No where was I told after 80 there’s nothing left and your top speed will be 125. Granted this isn’t an everyday problem but for the most expensive and advanced GT ever sold, it’s embarrassing to know you’ll lose to your friends wife in the Tesla or BMW. Never mind the Etron. I guess as long as I stick to light to light battles and traffic circles, I’m good. Facing the facts, I live more there than the 1/4 miles walk to 14+ something. I’ll likely sell it before I re-register it!

As it turns out, there is more to car performance and competitiveness than just 0-60 times. Those who say that Plaid is faster than the GTPE and therefore its a better performance car don't know what they are talking about.

If 0-60 is all anyone cared about in a performance car, then there would be no reason for a Ford GT priced at $500k, $600k Ferrari 812, or even a $113k GTR to exist. All of those would get smoked in a 0-60 VS plaid that starts at $130k. Are you going to tell me that the Plaid is a better performing car than all of those?

 

[buzznwood]

As it turns out, there is more to car performance and competitiveness than just 0-60 times. Those who say that Plaid is faster than the GTPE and therefore its a better performance car don't know what they are talking about.

If 0-60 is all anyone cared about in a performance car, then there would be no reason for a Ford GT priced at $500k, $600k Ferrari 812, or even a $113k GTR to exist. All of those would get smoked in a 0-60 VS plaid that starts at $130k. Are you going to tell me that the Plaid is a better performing car than all of those?

While I agree with this sentiment in that 0-60 and top speed are not the be all and end all of a performance vehicle. The instant torque of the electric motor really makes the acceleration the only performance party piece a BEV brings to the table and as top speed is always going to be an issue for most BEVS people will expect that acceleration performance to at least remain up to that top speed like all other performance BEVs and not fall flat on its face half way.

If we ignore the power limitations the weight of a BEV means there are going to be disadvantages in regards to handling ability compared to an ICE but Ford have some very talented engineers so there is a certain level one would expect, but even when compared to those performance Ford standards the GTPE drives like a bus and doesn't fair well in the 50 meter test.

Does this mean the GTPE is all bad, no far from it, but what marketing where promoting and what engineering where making had nothing in common, and its not surprising that it will have left a sour after taste to some when all a lot of people had to go on initially was the marketing.

The performance potential is certainly there within the platform so it would be nice to see it fully realized and maybe that will happen in the future, the long term issue for Ford is how that deceptive marketing will hurt going forward as more performance options appear in the marketplace and even if things do get fixed via OTA how many existing owners will be looking elsewhere once the options terms is up as trust once lost it is hard to regain.

 

[swnerd321]

Real story: I’m sporting around by myself in the Colorado foothills. Yes, I sport around and I expect my most expensive GT in history to sport around with me. I go for a higher speed pass on a steep incline. As I near the front of the pass, I hit the limiter making my pass closer than it ever needed to be. Those of you that use it as your commuter and can’t see why the limiter is an issue, leave us performance eager drivers be. And please, stop calling us complainers. It’s factual and we have a right to be disappointed. I spent plenty of time defending Fords use of the Mustang name but no Mustang should have a power limiter. BTW: Ford has offered to buy mine back or swap in for a new 22’ I’m fairly certain my GTPE time is coming to an sad end.

How will swapping it with a “new 22’ help” is Ford saying that the 22’ will fix the problem? Or do you just end up with basically the same car without the handles free liftgate and without the acoustic glass and only 3kw more usable battery power ?

 

[8Urchvy]

Agree with the above. It's a great car...they just need to remove the power limiter. That would change my mind about selling. Losing to a kia 0-60 is fine...the GTPE is blazing fast...just don't gas it more than once or on the freeway...

 

[rsfloodco]

Agreed and I actually get to make the choice. Ford is doing a buy back on mine and one of the offers is a 2022 GT. I told them no thx unless it’s a 23’ without the limiter.

Changing my vote to No....the acceleration limitations are just too bad to overcome. Traveling on the freeway going 65, accelerating, and then getting the grey slow bars...just kills me. I am afraid to challenge to pass any car on the freeway. It will fall flat on it's face... Ford needs to correct this fast....I assume they have already lost many sales due to this. This car reviewer (Forrest Jones - see link) has 4M followers and says he would never buy it due to the power issues. This is only going to get worse. I believe resale value will be impacted...

 

[rsfloodco]

We’ll it should fix the suspension default problem I’ve had since week 1. That said, I won’t be going with a 22’. 23’ maybe or maybe my Mach E days are soon ending completely.

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How will swapping it with a “new 22’ help” is Ford saying that the 22’ will fix the problem? Or do you just end up with basically the same car without the handles free liftgate and without the acoustic glass and only 3kw more usable battery power ?
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[rsfloodco]

Let’s agree to disagree. You be happy with yours. I’m looking for a car that doesn’t intentionally limit my power especially when I need or want it.

As it turns out, there is more to car performance and competitiveness than just 0-60 times. Those who say that Plaid is faster than the GTPE and therefore its a better performance car don't know what they are talking about.

If 0-60 is all anyone cared about in a performance car, then there would be no reason for a Ford GT priced at $500k, $600k Ferrari 812, or even a $113k GTR to exist. All of those would get smoked in a 0-60 VS plaid that starts at $130k. Are you going to tell me that the Plaid is a better performing car than all of those?

 

[Mach1E]

Ford's really going to have to address the limiter if the EV6 GT comes out and actually performs as well as they hint in their marketing video of it racing against supercars and only losing to a McLaren by 1 car length (which happens to run a 10.7)

EV6 left early, bad traction road and it looks like only an 1/8th mile race.

But yes, point taken, that car will be fast. Faster than us, even if they fix the 5 seconds.

576hp and weighs less than us.

 

[leeman]

For the type of car it is the value just isn't there. I believe the overall materials fit finish will not last the test of time as far as longevity goes the drive to maybe work but I have a feeling that the interior and other components because of the way the car rides will be required replacement quite a bit.

 

[Justmikeyd]

Good conversation here. I’m about a month in with my GTPE, coming from an x5 m50i, I can say i have SO much more fun around town with my GTPE. Would the X5 do better passing at 80, sure. Do I miss that v8 growl, yup. Is the GTPE a great car at a significantly lower price point? Yup. I’ve had a ton of cars (ask all the folks in my life who make fun of my short attention span!) and I think this GTPE might be one of the most unique and fun cars I’ve owned. No regrets here.

 

[8Urchvy]

Fast forward to 13:30 seconds in the video. And then again at 15:00 minute mark.

Just sad...

 

[Mach1E]

Fast forward to 13:30 seconds in the video. And then again at 15:00 minute mark.

Just sad...

Yup.

Low charge, cold weather, hot battery, high speeds……. Don’t even bother.

If they want to embarrass the car, that’s the way to do it.

The variance of acceleration in this car (best to worst) is absurd.

62-124 mph in that video took 54 seconds.

And 73 to 124 in this video took 13 seconds:
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/highway-passing-to-top-speed-video-fast.13479/

13 seconds is actually quick. 54 is slow enough to be dangerous. Does any other car have that much of a variance?

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