Have values tanked this much?

[TRP]

I'm of the opinion that advances in battery technology will be the death of us. If they begin unleashing EVs in something like 2026 or 2027 with 600-plus miles of range: What's an EV that gets 226 going to be worth? And replacing the battery with the better one isn't exactly a cost-friendly option.

But I knew what I was getting into. My 2021 BMW i3 was a $53k car. A short time later, the KBB value was like $33k with 6,000 miles on it. Thankfully, I got an $11k military rebate on it and a small cut in the MSRP.

We are driving what is essentially a 1st gen EV from Ford..........battery tech and software (Fords biggest downfall IMHO) will only improve. Recent announcements with regard to NACS will make ours....not necessarily obsolete but worth anything only to a small market of people that don't require the larger access to DCFC.

I'm not in a hurry to swap mine out. I was just curious what an offer would be. I was less than enthused. LOL

I'll drive this for a few more years and see what the EV world has to offer after 2025 at least.

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[BMT1071]

We are driving what is essentially a 1st gen EV from Ford..........battery tech and software (Fords biggest downfall IMHO) will only improve. Recent announcements with regard to NACS will make ours....not necessarily obsolete but worth anything only to a small market of people that don't require the larger access to DCFC.

I'm not in a hurry to swap mine out. I was just curious what an offer would be. I was less than enthused. LOL

I'll drive this for a few more years and see what the EV world has to offer after 2025 at least.

There will be NACS to CCS adapters available. I doubt there will be much impact on value based on that.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I keep noticing people describing battery tech as being a big Ford weakness. Elaborate on that, please. In what way? The consensus seems to be that China and South Korea are the world leaders in battery tech, and Ford put a CATL battery from China in my car. So, are you criticizing them in that aspect?

For starter, Ford's battery is 98kWh, whereas Tesla is 85kWh. Yet they get the same real world range. Ford is usually at the bottom when compare to other modern equivalent EV such as KIA or Tesla when it comes to efficiency. Ford charge slower and is more limited in the amount of power that can be use due to heating constraints.

 

[TRP]

I keep noticing people describing battery tech as being a big Ford weakness. Elaborate on that, please. In what way? The consensus seems to be that China and South Korea are the world leaders in battery tech, and Ford put a CATL battery from China in my car. So, are you criticizing them in that aspect?

Not criticizing Ford on their battery tech at all. I am criticizing them on their software issues. Software is not Fords strong suit and I feel they need to step up their game. They aren't horrible, but they could def do better. IMHO. Others may not agree

 

[TRP]

For starter, Ford's battery is 98kWh, whereas Tesla is 85kWh. Yet they get the same real world range. Ford is usually at the bottom when compare to other modern equivalent EV such as KIA or Tesla when it comes to efficiency. Ford charge slower and is more limited in the amount of power that can be use due to heating constraints.

And those other manufacturers you mentioned all charge faster too

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Fair enough, but my point is they aren't Ford's batteries. They're LG or CATL.

I'm sure there are different generation of products. CATL produces more than one type of battery. Ford specify what they want and how much they want to pay for it. Ford may have chosen the less expensive version vs Tesla or KIA.

 

[voxel]

Yeah, the thing about these values tanking is that it makes people like me not interested in upgrading at all, and just driving the car for 10 plus years and maybe even longer, and not buying a new car again. I went from never buying a new car to buying two in two years. I love my GTPE, but that upgrade from a Select AWD was enough. What do we expect to improve over the next five years with the MME? Native NACS port, snappier (but still slow and outdated for the time APIM), better BlueCruise, maybe slightly better performance? Yeah, don’t care about any of that. The GTPE produces more power at standstill than the tires can put down.

800V charging and better suspension and better gap seal to reduce wind noise. Mach-E is almost perfect.

For me... the Ioniq 5 with a slightly large battery, better audio, rear wiper, slightly more efficient motors would be perfect but I seriously don't all of those are possible. I think Ford/MME is closer to achieving their goals.

 

[BMT1071]

I'm sure there are different generation of products. CATL produces more than one type of battery. Ford specify what they want and how much they want to pay for it. Ford may have chosen the less expensive version vs Tesla or KIA.

My understanding is that the lower charging speed is due to the wiring in the car, not so much the battery itself. Same for the efficiency. Other design/operational choices effect that more than the battery.
The other battery tech comments are aspirational regarding advances that may or may not ever come to pass.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

battery tech are always advancing. One of the metric is density. If you can get the same energy into a smaller battery, then you end up with a lighter vehicle requiring less energy to move the same distance.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

At this point, the long you can keep your BEV, the more time you allow for maintenance and fuel savings to offset some of that brutal depreciation. For me there is an unquantifiable quality of life value to the vehicle as well.

 

[BMT1071]

battery tech are always advancing. One of the metric is density. If you can get the same energy into a smaller battery, then you end up with a lighter vehicle requiring less energy to move the same distance.

Right, but the advances are incremental. Some posters are banking on solid state becoming viable very quickly, which will be a huge advancement and a game-changer.

 

[TRP]

I will add this.................I test drove a Model X around town, no highway or high speed stuff, and it had more wind noise than my MME. Slightly disappointed in that. All other things, ride, seat comfort were better in the X. Worth $100gs ?‍

 

[Teslaeata]

UK gen 1, June 2021 delivery, 69,000 miles and Glass’s Guide Trade value just £25,250.00

 

[superdave80]

My understanding is that the lower charging speed is due to the wiring in the car, not so much the battery itself. Same for the efficiency. Other design/operational choices effect that more than the battery.
The other battery tech comments are aspirational regarding advances that may or may not ever come to pass.

The charging curve suggests otherwise. Why have the charging speed slow down over time? If the wiring can handle 80kw when at 30%, why charge at 60kw at 70%?

 

[BMT1071]

The charging curve suggests otherwise. Why have the charging speed slow down over time? If the wiring can handle 80kw when at 30%, why charge at 60kw at 70%?

In terms of the curve, yes that is due to battery chemistry. I am not sure how much they are claiming solid state will change that. As the space to stuff the electrons gets smaller you've got to reduce how fast you are stuffing them in. AFAIK that applies regardless of the battery technology.

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