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I’ll never understand why people with such disdain for HOAs would buy a property that belongs to one.
Personally I’m happy to have an HOA. I know my neighbor won’t be able to let cousin Eddie pull his RV into his yard and dump his tank into our storm sewer. ?
I agree they should know what they get into, but the thing you mentioned is already illegal anyways. Be damned I’m gonna let some retiree tell me what color my house should be or if I can install an EV charger. HOAs suck
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live in an HOA. Many board members have had ideas and approaches I disagreed with. I vocalized my positions, and worked with other neighbors to defeat things, to elect new officers, etc. But I never verbally attacked neighbors I disagreed with.
You have a home within a functional or at least semi functional HOA. Many, maybe even most, are not so fortunate.
 

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Solar, unlike satellite dishes, does not have federal rules that override everything.
Federal law is the only concern. State law and even county or city ordinances apply. Many states have laws that restrict the ability of HOAs to prohibit or control the placement of solar panels. Out here, our HOA cannot do much more than insist that a low reflectivity or low glare panel be used. We're also prohibited from reducing the effectiveness of the designed system. So if the street side is facing south, or the panels are visibly from the south, and that's where the owner wants to put them, TS. Personally, that's how I think it should be. To tie it back to the original point in this thread, the same applies to EVSEs here. For the OP (who will never see this in all likelihood), get a permit and move on.
 

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Be damned I’m gonna let some retiree tell me what color my house should be or if I can install an EV charger. HOAs suck
When I was President of our HOA, I was rather fed up with the "Old boys who are angry they're irrelevant in their former occupation" club of HOA board members. So I attempted to at least get some angry old ladies in to help balance things out. Yeah, the angry old guys didn't like that. :p Really.
 

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You move into a community that has rules that apply to you and everyone else, and when a neighbor volunteers to serve your community, and you don't follow the rules, you resort to name calling? You sound like an asset to your community.

I live in an HOA. Many board members have had ideas and approaches I disagreed with. I vocalized my positions, and worked with other neighbors to defeat things, to elect new officers, etc. But I never verbally attacked neighbors I disagreed with.
Only when they are complaining about weeds that do not exist on my property. They are known to harass people in my community, I'm not the only one. I asked them to provide pictures of the weeds they complained about and they could not do it because they were not there. They even tried it on the neighbor that also called them that who is meticulous about his yard, yet they let people on another street have knee high grass. They also harassed the same neighbor about a tasteful sign about picking up after your dog, yet let several other people have a larger sign. They are not treating people fairly, nor are they keeping their public areas trimmed properly even after it has been brought to their attention. Speaking to them multiple times in a friendly manner didn't work so think what you want but I refuse to be bullied by them for something I haven't done. Guy I called that isn't a neighbor at all, just a guy who decided to run his own business.
 


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You know, if people actually joined their local HOA instead of just complaining about them, you'd have much better HOAs. That's the entire point. I served mine for that exact reason ... I didn't want mine to be "the grass police," I wanted to be neighborly. For example ...

We had a member who was behind on his dues by over $3000. We could have just sent him to collections and been done with it. We reached out as neighbors to find out what was happening and what we could do to help. He was going through a tough divorce, so we gave him a grace period and put him on a payment plan to help him get current. We never heard from him other than getting that plan set up, but he apparently told one of his neighbors he'd never had a positive HOA experience until that.

The rules are all there for a reason. Most people don't know and have never read them. So I don't like to assume anyone is even aware there is a rule they're breaking. Particularly when units get rented out. So we always try to make sure the residents understand our role and that we're trying to help before we enforce anything.
 

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stop signing contracts with HOAs and letting Karens tell you how to equip your house. It’s not worth it.
Buying the property binds the contract, nothing else to sign. If a person doesn’t want to participate in an HOA, they need to buy elsewhere.
 

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Buying the property binds the contract, nothing else to sign. If a person doesn’t want to participate in an HOA, they need to buy elsewhere.
well yes that's what I meant
 

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Huh? I had a Level 2 charger installed in Dec. of 2020 (to get the 30% Fed rebate).

Are you guys saying I should have pulled a permit with the county? In addition contacted my Homeowners Insurance? As well as received permission from HOA?

Single Family (Detached), HOA regulated
Charger in the Garage, not visible from outside.
If you “had it installed,” I assume you used a licensed electrician? If so the electrician more than likely got a permit for the work. Check with your installer to get a copy of the permit and inspection report. ??
 

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You know, if people actually joined their local HOA instead of just complaining about them, you'd have much better HOAs. That's the entire point. I served mine for that exact reason ... I didn't want mine to be "the grass police," I wanted to be neighborly. For example ...

We had a member who was behind on his dues by over $3000. We could have just sent him to collections and been done with it. We reached out as neighbors to find out what was happening and what we could do to help. He was going through a tough divorce, so we gave him a grace period and put him on a payment plan to help him get current. We never heard from him other than getting that plan set up, but he apparently told one of his neighbors he'd never had a positive HOA experience until that.

The rules are all there for a reason. Most people don't know and have never read them. So I don't like to assume anyone is even aware there is a rule they're breaking. Particularly when units get rented out. So we always try to make sure the residents understand our role and that we're trying to help before we enforce anything.
But not reading the rules gives you no out.

Most HOAs require approval of rentals, and therefore would force the contract to tell the tenant they are bound by the rules.

As to knowing or not knowing, it is clearly smart of an HOA to give new homeowners a copy of the rules and an introduction, thereby closing the barn door before the horses get out.

As to being nice - totally agree. Funny story - I was HOA President. We had a derelict property, the owners had a habit of spending a lot, going bankrupt and moving. She was/is a noted author, quite famous. Anyway, when I became President they had left and the house was in disarray. Lawn not mowed, tree leaning on it, etc. I found their new phone number and called them and asked for them to deal with the issues. They used bad words... We filed liens but they didn't care.

Bank took over the property, and nothing changed. We had a meeting where we discussed leveling a $1,000 per day fine, retroactive. Would have been many tens of thousands of dollars. We invited a neighbor who knew the bank's attorney, and asked him to leak our discussion. Here's the funny part - we had no authority to level that kind of fine. No problem. We didn't level it. We discussed leveling it. Bank cleaned the property up within 2 weeks.
 

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If you “had it installed,” I assume you used a licensed electrician? If so the electrician more than likely got a permit for the work. Check with your installer to get a copy of the permit and inspection report. ??
Unfortunately there are a lot of contractors that don't play things above board like they should. I've talked to some that give a discount if you forego the permitting and inspections. I generally am a do-it-yourselfer as my dad was an electrician in his youth and my brother still is a carpenter (I worked for him in my youth). Nonetheless for some things I get a contractor and if they pull the "discount for under the table" routine I run away as fast as I can from them. As the customer the only leverage/assurance you get is the inspection process. If you've ever watched the show "Holmes on homes" you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about.
 

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Many HOAs have appearance rules. One of those is curb appearance. Our HOA turned down a homeowner that wanted to put solar panels on the street-facing roof. Solar, unlike satellite dishes, does not have federal rules that override everything.
Associations are not permitted to prohibit the installation of solar panels on a unit or property which is owned by a member of the association.
I do not know about how it works up north but here , west of the Mississippi, HOAs cannot prevent solar panel installation. A lot of legal precedent.
ex.: CO- The actual law states that any HOA with a covenant restriction stating that solar panels are prohibited or restricted in any way is unenforceable under Colorado law (C.R.S. 38-30-168).
 

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Associations are not permitted to prohibit the installation of solar panels on a unit or property which is owned by a member of the association.
I do not know about how it works up north but here , west of the Mississippi, HOAs cannot prevent solar panel installation. A lot of legal precedent.
ex.: CO- The actual law states that any HOA with a covenant restriction stating that solar panels are prohibited or restricted in any way is unenforceable under Colorado law (C.R.S. 38-30-168).
Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Wyoming don't prohibit HOAs from preventing installation per my quick research.

I know of one homeowner here that tried, and was denied. I believe both sides consulted legal counsel.
 

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Alabama, Arkansas, Connecticut, Michigan, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Wyoming don't prohibit HOAs from preventing installation per my quick research.

I know of one homeowner here that tried, and was denied. I believe both sides consulted legal counsel.
That's when community solar can be beneficial, but that of course requires a community that's forward-looking.
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