Is there a future for the Mach-E?

[Kamuelaflyer]

You know, I think the S and the X look pretty good. It’s the cheaper 3 and Y that look super Prius-y.

Yeah, they’re all teardrop shapes but adapted for the particular vehicle niche. The S is the nicest looking one imo, but none are attractive to me. There are alternatives to the teardrop, but if lowest Cd is your overriding concern, then you’re ending up with something strongly resembling a teardrop.

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[GreaseMonkey]

Yes, most of the people who used to love Musk now hate him. And most of those who hated him now love him.

I'm with Rick on this. Never liked the guy, and still don't, mostly because he's always been a con artist.

I think he skillfully managed to make all people hate him. It takes a genius to make that happen.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Model 3 is nice in my opinion and well put together. I couldn’t care less for the others, esp the dumb truck.

Our now former neighbors had 2 model y’s and a m3. I found all of them to have atrocious paint and poor panel fitment. They were also quite noisy to me. The neighbor, the former owner of the largest (by sales volume) Chevy dealer in the country, quite agreed with that assessment. His other vehicle was a Toyota FJ he kept. Not a GM, Chrysler, or Ford in sight.

They sold the cars along with the house and all of its furnishings to a “gentleman” who had to unload all of it within a matter of months to help pay his attorney fees he was piling up, and perhaps to avoid his 9 felony indictments and sidestep a possible RICO seizure. His attorney fees were reported in the press to have been in excess of $40 million USD. The house and Teslas didn’t cover 10% of that.

 

[phil]

There is the world and then there is the US.

Yes, there is the world.

The first electric vehicles were designed and built around 1830, mostly in Europe rather than the US. Nearly two centuries later, more than 4 of every 5 cars sold worldwide use internal combustion.

Maybe someday the world's general public will be more receptive to EVs. In fact, I'm sure they will be, just as soon as prices and reliability are competitive with ICEVs. And assuming some better technology doesn't come along before then. Meanwhile, I will not be holding my breath.

 

[phil]

His attorney fees were reported in the press to have been in excess of $40 million USD. The house and Teslas didn’t cover 20% of that.

Let's see, 20% of $40 Million is ...

Sounds like you live in a severely impoverished neighborhood.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Let's see, 20% of $40 Million is ...

Sounds like you live in a severely impoverished neighborhood.

Typo. 10%. He lost around 1 million on the place. But his net worth can handle the hit without thinking about it.

Thanks to people like him, this area is no longer affordable by even professionals who have done well. The houses no longer sell regularly because they’re in the second (plus) home category and are paid for with cash.

My wife and I could no longer afford to buy or build here. First world issues.

 

[phil]

My wife and I could no longer afford to buy or build here. First world issues.

I guess you can still buy there if you're the kind of lawyer who bills $40MM to a single client.

 

[celestial_knight]

I loved my Fusion Hybrid. The Fusion had a great run and probably should have remained to compete with the Camry and Accord.

The Fusion is a beautiful car. I can not get behind Ford (and Cadillac) moving away from their beautiful designs of 5 years ago

However, its ADAS is quite primitive, otherwise I might have gotten a used one. All the more remarkable that Hyundai had a competitive hands on lane centering adas almost 4 years ago

On the old Ioniq 5 a relative has, the lane centering is nearly as good as 2025 Blue Cruise 1.5. it’s very close. These are the top tier systems in the United States if not for Tesla FSD 14 (I don’t count GM since they are hopeless on unmapped sections)

 

[celestial_knight]

I’ll happily keep driving my Mustang and my Lightning until it’s time to replace them with a different brand BEV.

Until the entire C-Suite, all of Farley’s yes-men are retired or fired, and an all-new management team have entirely replaced them and their backwards-looking, rudderless wanderings, I have zero interest in buying another Ford.

Two years ago, Farley was chasing Rivian’s and Lucid’s tails and spouting “no commodity cars” foolishness. Then he drove a Chinese car and started chasing after it and blowing “affordable cars” smoke up his own behind. Now he’s chasing the Stellantis EREV zombies that have no future. Nobody at the company who has access to the man is willing to call him on his inability to choose a direction. Not once did he or his sycophants say, “let’s tell the dealers to actually sell EVs instead of steering people away from them.” Not once did he and his sycophants think to advertise their good BEVs.

The work Ford’s engineers did with the nonsense they were given is impressive. But there are equally-capable engineers elsewhere working for companies that aren’t flapping about like a dying fish. I’d rather buy a highly-taxed BYD vehicle than a Ford.

If AI is to be trusted China has ~20x the number of DC fast charging sockets than we do in the US. and the number of ours grew ~33% in the past year

Naively accounting for population that means they still have 5x the coverage. Imagine if you had 5 times the fast charging capability in your driving radius right now

A lot of charging is still home charging, which is an issue in their apartment complexes. interestingly, despite central planning, recent buildout, government goals, they still have a problem with getting enough residential charging. Not surprising; think about getting a plug for every space

But if they have problems, we even more so. Right now there is not enough charging in the United States still; even if every American (who could afford it ) went out and bought a Mach E tomorrow, they’d have nowhere to charge

Imagine the wait lines

That is a big brake on electric ambitions. Y’all need to take a break from venting and come back to reality

Cadillac can change over to electric (how well they’ll do remains to be seen) because a good proportion of their customers are affluent, and therefore have homes, and therefore have home charging

it is true that the Mach E seems to be lacking in advertising. I had to do some research before even hearing of it

 

[DeluxeStang]

My personal vision for something like a next gen mach-e would be to keep it as a crossover, maybe make it slightly smaller, like 10% smaller to help it appeal to escape buyers now that the escape is going away, but not making it so small it loses the practicality. Making it lighter so it's more efficient, but also more fun to throw around corners.

A design that leans even harder into the muscle car look would be awesome, make the mach-e slightly wider, lower, with more squared off tension in the surfaces where you can, just a really sharp design. Maybe make it a little more value oriented.
The current mach-e starts at like 38k I believe, this new affordable EV platform is being designed to be used for vehicles starting at 25-30k. Let's say this mach-e is a little more and is in the low 30s.

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What is built on this new platform? Give us specifics. Where are these things built? Which brand new facilities? Which new team? Are they secretly violating their CBAs with the various unions by bringing this so-called new team to build these EVs? Oh, and what platform is guaranteeing a profitable EV product? The universal unobtainium platform? That’s some magical thinking.

It's called the universal EV platform. If you search for Ford skunkworks, or 30k EV truck, you'll learn more about the platform and the team behind it. Entirely new team to Ford essentially.

 

[MrTowed]

Deciding to charge $500 for the frunk is laughable. It's open empty space. They want us to pay for open space.

Yes, I get the added plastic and whatever, but still.

To me the consumer, I look at it as Ford charging me for a hole that is already there.

 

[Benewil]

Ford has a habit of not standing behind their vehicles. The Taurus at one time was the number one selling car and dropped few years later. The Escape was one of the earliest midsize SUV's and is competing in a category of the top selling vehicle types and it's being dropped. The EAMX hybrid was an awesome hybrid and went up favorably against the Prius in most if not all reviews and was dropped. When will they ever learn, oh when will they ever learn?...

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

When will they ever learn, oh when will they ever learn?.

It’s genetic, they can’t.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Earlier this month, I bought three Mach-E t-shirts when they were on sale 25% off. I'm more committed to the car than its maker . Not full-price committed, but 25% off committed for sure.

 

[Jimrpa]

Yeah, they’re all teardrop shapes but adapted for the particular vehicle niche. The S is the nicest looking one imo, but none are attractive to me. There are alternatives to the teardrop, but if lowest Cd is your overriding concern, then you’re ending up with something strongly resembling a teardrop.

But, is Cd really a significant consideration if most of the time, the vehicle will be traveling at low speeds (say city/suburban driving, or congested commuting)?

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