It can coast, too!

[generaltso]

I think 1PD and driving a stick are very similar. If you can drive a stick you probably prefer 1PD. If you can't drive a stick, you probably prefer 2PD.

Some people prefer 2PD, therefore some people can't drive stick. If even one person can't drive stick, too many people can't drive stick.

Coherent enough?

Coherent? Sure. Just highly flawed in assuming that most people think the same way you do.

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[superdave80]

I never use 1 PD so am unsure if there is a sweet spot where you may be neither in regen nor accel so perhaps coasting. I guess maybe that is also possible in 2 PD but most of my driving is around town so I am always either in accel or regen as far as I can tell. If I needed/wanted to coast I would switch to N myself.

There is the same 'sweet spot' in 2PD: Take your foot off the accelerator (assuming you are in whisper).

 

[CarsIMBwife]

People preferring 2PD just proves to me that not enough people know how to drive a stick.

Which makes me sad.

??? I drove sticks for 33 years before buying a 2007 Lexus … which I traded in for my MME in 2021. Coasting is why I drive 2pd. I got fantastic mileage with the various cars because I spent a lot of time in neutral coasting. I like taking my foot off the go pedal continuing to roll merrily along, even though it doesn’t do much for regen.

 

[AKgrampy]

There is the same 'sweet spot' in 2PD: Take your foot off the accelerator (assuming you are in whisper).

My understanding is whisper still has regen as soon as you lift but it is very mild. Does not matter as I tried all three modes and found engaged suited me best. That is a good thing about the Mach (EV’s?) - lots of options to suit your style and none are really any better that the other or so it seems.

 

[RockinVs]

As someone who daily drove a manual for 11 years before getting my MME in March, I find 2 pedal driving in Engaged to be my favorite mode.

Releasing the gas pedal and the regen in engaged feel almost the same as just letting the engine slow you down on my 13' Mazda 3. I have also found that the brake pedal is pretty smooth and really haven't noticed a big jump when it goes from regen to actual brakes. I would also say, according to the brake coach, that 98-99 percent of the time I use just regen to slow the car to a stop.

I tried 1 pedal and just didn't like the feel. Also, I have seen videos about the brake lights in the MME. In 1 pedal mode they will come on when you are off the gas and regen is at a certain amount. I would find this to be annoying if I was behind someone whose brake lights come on all the time. In 2 pedal mode, the brake lights only come on with the brake pedal.

I do wish we could customize the regen more. I would like a little more regen letting off the gas, but I don't want to use 1 pedal mode. I also find that unbridled makes the steering wheel too taught and the gas too touchy for daily driving.

I know whisper is best in winter, but we should really just have a winter or snow mode. When the roads are slick, you want to just coast and not have regen trying to slow you down.

In summary, going from 3 pedals down to 2 feels more natural than all the way down to 1 to me.

 

[HuntingPudel]

There is the same 'sweet spot' in 2PD: Take your foot off the accelerator (assuming you are in whisper).

The “sweet spot” exists in both 2PD and 1PD. If you have a GT or have enabled the GT power meter via FORscan, you can see this as the meter switching back and forth from green to blue repeatedly. It requires a very light depression of the go pedal and will vary depending on the speed at which you are traveling. ??

 

[goodguy]

Also. If you are coasting and want more regen press the L button. And you get more. Engage is the best option with the added ability to either switch to neutral for less or press L for more regen. Between neutral drive and L you got three options at your finger tips.

 

[mkhuffman]

Also. If you are coasting and want more regen press the L button. And you get more. Engage is the best option with the added ability to either switch to neutral for less or press L for more regen. Between neutral drive and L you got three options at your finger tips.

I know you said you were done with our debate, but I don't think we are. I used to agree with you, and I may still agree with you if you have some real life data in your car to substantiate your position.

The data I gathered does not substantiate your position. Coasting in theory should be more efficient, but when I did it, it was not. Significantly worse, actually. So if you can do your normal driving along a very repeatable route, and then change that driving so that you use Regen instead of coasting, you can produce some data that substantiates what you believe.

My mind is open on this topic. Maybe something else was going on during my test. But the efficiency was so much worse than what I normally see, I stopped coasting immediately. Like I said before, it was shocking. I didn't expect it at all.

 

[goodguy]

It just isn’t physically possible. The Mach e doesn’t allow tracking of kw used. To Many variables to trust its range info. Honestly I’ve been driving calmly for so long I can’t drive aggressively. Unbridled and 1 pedal absolutely drives me crazy. I can’t last 30 seconds with either. I can literally feel the inefficiency. Perhaps your version of hyper mileage is different than mine. Or your test had other outside influences. I believe you. But it just is not physically possible. Do you agree that in my scenario that driver A would travel further? He just would have too.

 

[ARK]

I think that’s not how it works in Tesla, but I could be wrong. But good info to know that in MME it doesn’t matter.

You are correct, it does not work like this in Teslas. This is also why Tesla has phased out the ability to turn it off in newer vehicles - I believe it is because the EPA wants to take an average mileage of the various driving modes, and turning off regen in a Tesla means you are using the traditional brakes when you hit the brake pedal, meaning 0 regen and therefore worse mileage over the course of the EPA test.

This falls in the bucket of one of those things where because Tesla has created this idea that they are so tech forward and ahead of everyone else, it comes off as surprising that Ford (and other automakers) actually have more advanced braking systems on their EVs, because when you hit the brake pedal on your Mach-E, your friction brakes don't engage at all until you press quite a bit down on the pedal. Our brake pedal actually does two things - first it triggers motor regen, and second, it triggers the friction brakes as needed and when you slow down so much that motor regen is no longer effective.

 

[mkhuffman]

It just isn’t physically possible. The Mach e doesn’t allow tracking of kw used. To Many variables to trust its range info. Honestly I’ve been driving calmly for so long I can’t drive aggressively. Unbridled and 1 pedal absolutely drives me crazy. I can’t last 30 seconds with either. I can literally feel the inefficiency. Perhaps your version of hyper mileage is different than mine. Or your test had other outside influences. I believe you. But it just is not physically possible. Do you agree that in my scenario that driver A would travel further? He just would have too.

I can't agree if there is no data to support the fact that it will happen.

The MME does track the kW used. I am logging almost every trip I make, and it can tell you exactly how much battery was used. Since you don't want to do the test, maybe I will at some point. For now, all I have is the one time I switched from regen to coasting on my commute to work, and my efficiency went in the toilet.

 

[goodguy]

I’m done. My engineering degree, understanding of physics and the conservation of energy know that you speak crazy talk. Good day.

 

[mkhuffman]

I’m done. My engineering degree, understanding of physics and the conservation of energy know that you speak crazy talk. Good day.

No data, no facts. Credentials mean nothing without data.

Sorry. No hard feelings. Maybe one day I will gather the data that proves you right.

 

[stealthytolkien]

You are correct, it does not work like this in Teslas. This is also why Tesla has phased out the ability to turn it off in newer vehicles - I believe it is because the EPA wants to take an average mileage of the various driving modes, and turning off regen in a Tesla means you are using the traditional brakes when you hit the brake pedal, meaning 0 regen and therefore worse mileage over the course of the EPA test.

This falls in the bucket of one of those things where because Tesla has created this idea that they are so tech forward and ahead of everyone else, it comes off as surprising that Ford (and other automakers) actually have more advanced braking systems on their EVs, because when you hit the brake pedal on your Mach-E, your friction brakes don't engage at all until you press quite a bit down on the pedal. Our brake pedal actually does two things - first it triggers motor regen, and second, it triggers the friction brakes as needed and when you slow down so much that motor regen is no longer effective.

I do not like how they grab on so hard in stop and go. I had that checked and drove two other Mach and same thing was happening on those. I have driven so many other EVs - this is the least smooth in terms of low speed braking somehow. Even F 150 L brakes so well.

 

[ctenidae]

??? I drove sticks for 33 years before buying a 2007 Lexus … which I traded in for my MME in 2021. Coasting is why I drive 2pd. I got fantastic mileage with the various cars because I spent a lot of time in neutral coasting. I like taking my foot off the go pedal continuing to roll merrily along, even though it doesn’t do much for regen.

I guess that's the difference- when I take my foot off the gas it's to slow down. Otherwise there's no reason to take my foot off the gas. With a stick I can vary the amount of deceleration by choosing a gear. In an EV I can do it by modulatiing how much I lift off.

Can't do a 6-3 downshift and stomp it in an EV, but that's because you can just stomp it.

I still don't understand the coasting thing- I never just rolled along with the clutch in, either. Never saw the point.

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