Itselectric new charging infrastructure model.

[Mrn]

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/28/itselectric-launches-first-pilot-at-two-locations-in-brooklyn/

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[mdolan92869]

Reading the marketing, I didn’t see anything about how the cable they give you locks to the car. They say it’s registered, but what keeps someone from just unplugging both ends and wandering off with a street‘s worth of cables. And it looks like a QR code on the top of the pedestal, how soon before those are defaced or a different QR code sticker is slapped on top to route you to a site to get your info/money. Already happened in Australia, so I would think it’ll happen here too.

As a 25 year software security professional (I was dubbed Chief Woodpecker for the holes I poked in our designs), my mind always wanders to how secure this is and none of what I read says that security was designed in.

 

[SWO]

This looks similar to how it's done in Europe. Unfortunately most NA vehicles don't lock the plug in the port, so this makes it wasy for someone to walk off with your charge cable.

 

[mkhuffman]

Maybe the outlet will lock to the cable so at least one side is secure.

 

[DevSecOps]

Reading the marketing, I didn’t see anything about how the cable they give you locks to the car. They say it’s registered, but what keeps someone from just unplugging both ends and wandering off with a street‘s worth of cables. And it looks like a QR code on the top of the pedestal, how soon before those are defaced or a different QR code sticker is slapped on top to route you to a site to get your info/money. Already happened in Australia, so I would think it’ll happen here too.

Add to it that it's in NY where you get rewarded for stealing. Also, I can't believe the marketing images they used with a "tagged" (aka defaced) truck behind it and another with an unfinished hack-job sheet rock repair. Doesn't inspire confidence in the idea.

 

[Rt1AWD]

It's ugly. Ubitricity implemented this idea in England except they have nicely put it inside the light poles

 

[DevSecOps]

It's ugly. Ubitricity implemented this idea in England except they have nicely put it inside the light poles

Makes sense in the EU because they lock the L2 chargers. There's no way that in SF, LA, Portland, Chicago, NY City etc you're gonna be able to keep these cables unlocked like that. I can bet that the cable is between $50-100 so they won't be cheap. There's a lot of good copper in there and the cops/DA's in those cities don't care about theft.

 

[AKgrampy]

Makes sense in the EU because they lock the L2 chargers. There's no way that in SF, LA, Portland, Chicago, NY City etc you're gonna be able to keep these cables unlocked like that. I can bet that the cable is between $50-100 so they won't be cheap. There's a lot of good copper in there and the cops/DA's in those cities don't care about theft.

And it does not take much more than a large cable cutter to clip thru any charge cable so it will be interesting to see what happens in some cities in the future with regular charge stations.

 

[DevSecOps]

And it does not take much more than a large cable cutter to clip thru any charge cable so it will be interesting to see what happens in some cities in the future with regular charge stations.

That's already a problem, just Google "EV charg cord theft". I've seen it at a few destination chargers here in California myself.

Most of the cutting of cables is happening when there's no one around from the videos I've seen. Unplugging a cable however, is a common thing we do and I would assume it wouldn't draw the attention of someone with large cable cutters.

 

[JoeDimwit]

They say “Level 2” and around 25 miles/hour, but they don’t give any actual charging speed information.

 

[Mrn]

That corresponds to about 32 amps at 240 volts in my car.

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