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[Mach1E]

I do think there is some inaccuracies circling around. Battery fires I think are a bit over exaggerated but the problem is EV battery severity. No one can argue the chemistry that lithium metal compounds generate oxygen when they overheat and the battery self-sustains a very hot fire for a very long duration. The frequency probably is exaggerated and the argument is ICEV catch fire far more often, but I'd argue the fires are more the result of age and poor maintenance, and accidents with old poorly maintained ICEV. But a few hundred gallons of water and the ICE is out because the water takes the heat away, which is not the case for an EV battery fire.

The Great Polar Vortex EV Fiasco of 2024 is also not fake news. It's not the media's fault that EV's and especially Tesla had operational difficulties with the unusual frigid weather. Not reporting it would be disinformation. The media reports I saw were pretty fair an gave an unbiased review of the event.

Finally, I do think the more recent news that "heavier" EVs wear out tires faster and that somehow shifts the imbalance of EV fuel costs vs. ICEV cost is quite a stretch. I'll say that is BS. I mean EV deposit more grains of rubber per mile than ICEV and therefore pollute more than ICEV? Man does that open a rabbit hole no one wants to go down. And the BS about old parking structures can't handle the weight of EV as they replace ICEV is pretty much comedy. The people who believe such crap know nothing about structural engineering.

But in reality, EV just cost more to own and have payback periods that are not worth the lifestyle change most people would rather keep. Most don't see an advantage to owning EV. I've looked at it fairly and in depth for over a decade now and still don't see a reason to change to EV.

EV tires definitely wear out faster.

Here are my GTPE tires at 9,000 miles. I rotated and did an alignment at 6k (alignment was fine unfortunately as I was hoping that was the issue).

I usually get 16,000 miles out of summer performance tires in my cars (all city). This is by far the worst tire wear I’ve ever seen.

Hell, I got 9,000 miles out of my nitro drag radials on my modified 2002 Trans Am!

The fuel savings is a huge advantage, but only if you charge at home.

Again, a lot of these criticisms are real and things people should be aware of (like winter performance, highway range etc).

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[Mach1E]

Disinformation/terrible journalism/ignorant people. The battle of EV vs ICE, the "Biden is forcing us to buy EVs" it's all FUD. In reality they are a better option for a subset of the population. And yes media is mostly just clickbate now trying to get eyeballs

The only FUD part is blaming Biden. Right now it’s the west coast trying to force people.

And that’s a real law, not FUD.

Media stopped being “news” when the newspapers died. The news is all opinion, predicting the future and clickbait. Agreed on the bad journalism. But I still don’t see the disinformation you were talking about.

Another “pro EV” disinformation example- solid state batteries.

We are riddled with examples of companies claiming they’ve made a breakthrough and it’s right around the corner…… all lies so far. Been going on for years.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

There are organized groups, Toyota, OPEC, MAGA candidates looking to villainize anything in the name of votes. Look at how the UAW is voting Trump....

Don't forget most left wing websites, especially gawker owned sites like Jalopnik. Not a day goes by that there isn't an article there that is hypercritical of anything Tesla. And to the general public, Tesla and EVs are one and the same. Well you can see how people would be turned off from buying an EV when reading about how bad Teslas are.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

No the general population has shifted left, including republicans. Compare people and their belieifs over the last 500 years, and really focus in on the last 50, we are all considered crazy liberals to the older generations.

There's a difference between migrating to the left, and falling off a cliff.

 

[MacherAWD]

The only FUD part is blaming Biden. Right now it’s the west coast trying to force people.

And that’s a real law, not FUD.

Media stopped being “news” when the newspapers died. The news is all opinion, predicting the future and clickbait. Agreed on the bad journalism. But I still don’t see the disinformation you were talking about.

Another “pro EV” disinformation example- solid state batteries.

We are riddled with examples of companies claiming they’ve made a breakthrough and it’s right around the corner…… all lies so far. Been going on for years.

No one is forcing us today. Yes states have laws for the future, and guess what if the technology hasnt improved they can revise the law.

Solid State is a mix of pro and anti. Toyota has been touting solid state breakthrus for 10 years with the goal of keeping people away from EVs until it is out. Multiple people have told me "oh I am waiting for that new Toyota SSB" so they keep driving an ICE, and Toyota wins.

 

[MacherAWD]

Don't forget most left wing websites, especially gawker owned sites like Jalopnik. Not a day goes by that there isn't an article there that is hypercritical of anything Tesla. And to the general public, Tesla and EVs are one and the same. Well you can see how people would be turned off from buying an EV when reading about how bad Teslas are.

Oh agreed Jalopnik used to be great, Car and Driver too, now its 1 article about how EVs are the best, then the next is EVs are the worst, then Tesla is amazing, then Tesla is crap....AI is cranking out articles for clicks.

 

[MacherAWD]

There's a difference between migrating to the left, and falling off a cliff.

Your cliff is my migration, we are all just on a scale of 0 to 100, how far along that scale is what makes us unique.

 

[MacherAWD]

The problem is we citizens should be allowed to choose whether we want an EV. If idiot MAGA followers (as you call them) want the market to dictate adoption I don't see that as problematic.

Yes and no. We can all choose today, no one has forced me to buy anything. And climate change is real, so government intervention around that is warranted. My freedom to breath clean air, or not lose species to extinction. Not to get into climate change but if you dont want to acknowledge I will checkout here.

 

[DennisD]

There's a difference between migrating to the left, and falling off a cliff.

I have 83.3 million reasons why I won't be veering to the right anytime too soon.

Sad and funny at the same time.

 

[Mach1E]

Yes and no. We can all choose today, no one has forced me to buy anything. And climate change is real, so government intervention around that is warranted. My freedom to breath clean air, or not lose species to extinction. Not to get into climate change but if you dont want to acknowledge I will checkout here.

No one will argue against clean air and water.

But when it comes to spending billions of dollars to try to change the weather 100 years in the future, people will for sure disagree whether or not it’s worth it.

Pretty easy to argue that money would be better spent getting clean water to the 2.1 billion people who don’t have it today. https://wholives.org/our-mission/mi...gFFwHzALNUjLXKtzaWzbnqwsxfUCqsrBoC6gwQAvD_BwE

 

[KevinS]

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[SeattleMachE]

We can leave things to the market when we start pricing externalities into the costs of goods, rather than having that offloaded for the government (taxpayers) to have to sort out later.

 

[Mach-Lee]

EV tires definitely wear out faster.

Here are my GTPE tires at 9,000 miles. I rotated and did an alignment at 6k (alignment was fine unfortunately as I was hoping that was the issue).

I usually get 16,000 miles out of summer performance tires in my cars (all city). This is by far the worst tire wear I’ve ever seen.

Hell, I got 9,000 miles out of my nitro drag radials on my modified 2002 Trans Am!

The fuel savings is a huge advantage, but only if you charge at home.

Again, a lot of these criticisms are real and things people should be aware of (like winter performance, highway range etc).

The curved patterns would seem to indicate you have a lot of scrubbing wear (turning the wheel while the vehicle is stopped). Try to roll slowly as you're turning the wheel to reduce wear.

 

[hepidy]

I agree purchase was a luxury splurge idk if I’d do it with a family until batteries were smaller and better range and price decrease. It’s an expensive car even though I love it …….im single no kids no commute so I kinda get benefits of electric without the hassle. They’d have to address families more for interest to turn into sales.

 

[Mach1E]

The curved patterns would seem to indicate you have a lot of scrubbing wear (turning the wheel while the vehicle is stopped). Try to roll slowly as you're turning the wheel to reduce wear.

I have a literal 1 mile commute to work. Half my time is spent in a parking lot.

I’m betting a lot of that is from either the parking lot or backing out of my garage then going out of my driveway.

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