Mach-E Will Not Migrate to Universal EV Platform

[NY_Cade69]

And next year they'll be whining about not having 1600V,

or not having the CCS2 (EU standard, from the same folks that brought us the Metric system) Oh, we still haven't figured that out.

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[devmach-e]

What seriously?? Did you actually read what I wrote and what I was responding to? The original comment was about the cost and complexity to change to a native NACS port. My point was no cost and no complexity. OK?

How do you differentiate between DC and AC voltage? Where are the safety mechanisms that keep those systems separate once past the port? In the existing CCS setup, they are kept separate by virtue of different sets of power pins that carry the voltage to separate systems. The isolation begins at the charging station.

Have you wondered why the NACS to CCS adapter we have has those big pins, but the NACS to J1772 doesn’t?

 

[E90alex]

Is the UEV platform geared against performance?

I've been assuming that the platform can accommodate any level of performance, through variations in motors and battery sizes and so on, within the platform specs. Is this not the case?

I understand UEV is based on 400v charging, so charging speeds will not be exciting, but otherwise I am not aware of any reason why UEV vehicle performance could not be very high.

If they use exclusively LFP batteries then yes.

LFP batteries have a lower discharge rate than NMC and therefore cannot support the performance levels of the Mach-E GT or even the extended range AWD.

Yes, China does have some LFP powered supercars but that level of battery advancement is not what Ford or most others are utilizing or building.

I don’t think there’s anything specific that would prevent them from using NMC in the future on the platform, but a major part of the platform is utilizing a structural house-made battery pack and Ford is only planning on building LFP batteries at its BlueOval Battery Park in Michigan.

 

[Norcolboulder]

A few of us have been speculating that the Mach-E will be killed “soon”, given there is not a gen 2 by 2027. This article confirms that opinion. Most of the conquest customers (like me) will likely be gone and will probably never return to the Ford brand.

What made the Mach-E special is having 60 years of Mustang design language to pull from. And the brand image of a “muscle car”, which fits well with the EV capabilities of speed and handling. I wouldn’t be caught dead driving an escape or a bronco or a truck for that matter. So why would I stay? The dealer experience? Pls try not to laugh.

So where would people like me find a new home? Rivian got it wrong with their “adventure theme”. I don’t need off-road tires to conquer my very urban neighborhood. Tesla is deplorable and will never be an option. And the Germans seem to still be lost in the Black Forest.

Pretty depressing. I hope that the battery holds up till someone gets some sense in their noggin.

Many comments on our next EV in the GT/ GTPE thread. What next ? And many of us were early adopters and love our MME’s.

My present direction is keep the MME til the wheels fall off . Granger extended warranty for bumper to bumper when my 48 month 48k extended warranty expires. And the GTPE may just stay in the family - and then what ?

new battery tech and the new EVs may be an option in 2027-28. Or just a used Tycan bought well .

 

[NY_Cade69]

Many comments on our next EV in the GT/ GTPE thread. What next ? And many of us were early adopters and love our MME’s.

My present direction is keep the MME til the wheels fall off . Granger extended warranty for bumper to bumper when my 48 month 48k extended warranty expires. And the GTPE may just stay in the family - and then what ?

new battery tech and the new EVs may be an option in 2027-28. Or just a used Tycan bought well .

Too bad Porsche is discontinuing the Estates in the US...

 

[NY_Cade69]

No, It is just barely more than a connector. A NACS to CCS1 adaptor like most of us have is made up of two HV DC pins to swap polarity position and adapt connectors, a couple of low voltage signal pins, a ground return pin, a low voltage thermal switch (or two) and a low voltage microswitch. The software protocol is compatible and there are no smarts in it.

Most of the cost is in the thick copper buss bars and injection molding. These are already part of an integrated NACS port. So no extra cost.

Except when trying to use a CCS1 or J1772 charger...
At least we don't have CHADEMO!

 

[Norcolboulder]

Too bad Porsche is discontinuing the Estates in the US...

Yes I saw that - used EV,s may be my choice until new tech offers alternatives. Interesting how diverse new vehicle development continues in the EV space while ICE now seems so stale

 

[NY_Cade69]

Yes I saw that - used EV,s may be my choice until new tech offers alternatives. Interesting how diverse new vehicle development continues in the EV space while ICE now seems so stale

The other 95.7% is focusing on Solar, EV, Wind, GeoThermal sustainability. They don't realize that carbon is the future.
Look at this happy lad! No wonder our glorious wants to decimate education and have more babies, while he and his billionaire BFFs plan for an escape via muskX.

 

[celestial_knight]

The other 95.7% is focusing on Solar, EV, Wind, GeoThermal sustainability. They don't realize that carbon is the future.
Look at this happy lad! No wonder our glorious wants to decimate education and have more babies, while he and his billionaire BFFs plan for an escape via muskX.

Lol the schools are already destroyed. The administrative bloat, tuition creep, DEI doing away with standards

Because of the open borders for cheap labor and cargo culting of education we forced everyone to get a degree just to get a job, churning out ill informed debt slaves for decades and now can't even keep up the STEM education needed for our technological prowess

 

[NY_Cade69]

Lol the schools are already destroyed. The administrative bloat, tuition creep, DEI doing away with standards

Because of the open borders for cheap labor and cargo culting of education we forced everyone to get a degree, churning out ill informed debt slaves for decades and now can't even keep up the STEM education needed for our technological prowess

Sure, it's only the MoCA geniuses that have the IQ needed to move this country back. Hail , bless his heart, he can't even seal a cement pond...

 

[Scottmcll]

This has been a most enjoyable thread. My take; we know these awesome cars can take us well into the 300k range and still drive like they're new. I am so grateful I found my beautiful '23 AWD extended with crazy low miles back in January. Other than missing the liftgate toe-kick feature, even tho the graphic for it is there (I think my Aug build might have been the first round to drop it) I feel like the '23 was the last year before they started heavily decontenting. If, god forbid, it got totalled, I'd buy another without even thinking about it. Nothing currently out there appeals to me, at all. So I, too, plan to enjoy driving my MME until one of us dies.

 

[SteveMach-ee]

How do you differentiate between DC and AC voltage? Where are the safety mechanisms that keep those systems separate once past the port? In the existing CCS setup, they are kept separate by virtue of different sets of power pins that carry the voltage to separate systems. The isolation begins at the charging station.

Have you wondered why the NACS to CCS adapter we have has those big pins, but the NACS to J1772 doesn’t?

David,
Sorry I apologize! I am defiantly wrong and screwed this up. You are right! I forgot about the mux needed. So a new module with two high current contactors, two low current contactors with associated connectors along with control by the NACS software needs to be added.

My only excuse is not sleeping due to a bad reaction to a pneumonia vaccine yesterday. First time ever having any reaction to a vaccine and it is terrible.

 

[buzznwood]

Is the UEV platform geared against performance?

I've been assuming that the platform can accommodate any level of performance, through variations in motors and battery sizes and so on, within the platform specs. Is this not the case?

I understand UEV is based on 400v charging, so charging speeds will not be exciting, but otherwise I am not aware of any reason why UEV vehicle performance could not be very high.

The whole next gen ce1 platform is about low cost, we certainly do need more low cost ev options but if it was used as a bases for a next gen mach-e then it would be DOA.

The mach-e sits in a weird place being a reworked mustang design dress over what was supposed to be a cmax / focus ev replacement. If it wasn't for the mustangification I doubt there would have been any sort of upper performance variant, as far as performance evs go the mach-e gt is far below what it should have been, even when taking into account its compromised underpinnings

However this is the sort of thing you would fix for the next gen on a new platform, the problem is ford has chopped and changed its ev plans so much it has been pretty obvious for a number of years that the mach-e was dead man walking to become just another in a long line of models left to wither and die on the vine in classic ford fashion, and they wonder why customers end moving onto other brands and never return.

Despite its limitations I have enjoyed my mach-e for what it is, it has a good number of years left in so I will do what I always do make the most of them and drive it until the wheels fall off, but it will be my last ford as when the time comes to replace it where the mach-e sits class wise is all heading towards 800v with 400+miles of range while ford is going in the complete opposite direction

It is a shame as I have a soft spot for Fords but as the motoring landscape changs at least in the mach-e crossover sector they unfortunalty seem to be on a path that is heading them towards market ev irrelevance.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Lol the schools are already destroyed. The administrative bloat, tuition creep, DEI doing away with standards

Because of the open borders for cheap labor and cargo culting of education we forced everyone to get a degree just to get a job, churning out ill informed debt slaves for decades and now can't even keep up the STEM education needed for our technological prowess

We are keeping up with technological prowess just fine — immigrants!

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