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Did they talk about TTT at all? Any inside info you can “leak”? 😀😀😀😀
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I mean no ill whatsoever by saying this, so please let's not make it into a derailing moment...

The one thing that stands out to me in every Ford "meeting" with the community is the age of the representation/participants. It looks like there's one or two people under the age of 40, with most over the age of 50.

If we look at the Telsa owners club gatherings or the Rivian owners meetings with their employees you'll see that they are full of kids, young adults and older adults as well (see here, here and here). You have to get the future buyers interested in your product. My youngest nephew plays "slug bug" with his sister, only it's not "bugs" anymore, it's with Teslas. There's little to no fascination with a MachE amongst our youth and most of the people who recognize it as being a mustang are older folk who can't stand it being called a mustang.

I like the MME a lot, but Ford needs to start getting the youth excited about their electric vehicles if they want them to succeed. I think a lot of that needs to start with a revamp of their technology. I don't think it's about style as much as it used to be.
I completely agree! Ford cant just use a select few people to get feedback from. I remember when the EA program was supposed to be an interactive space with meetups, and virtual meetups for people to discuss things. That never happened. I cant even get support from the early access email address. I sent a bug with a video and was told they will investigate and follow up. Never heard back. Thats not a good way to get feedback!
 

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I agree to a certain extent only because I know some >50 people who own Rivians and Teslas. Perhaps the exceptions that prove the rule.
Maybe you skipped over what I said. I said kids, young adults and older adults. I'm in no way saying that there shouldn't be an older representation. It just seems like that's all that there is with Ford. They pigeonhole themselves with, only, people who are avid supporters and seemingly older.

This quote from Rivian is exactly what will drive these brands forward. Ford should be paying attention:

Ford Mustang Mach-E My Trip to Detroit Auto Show and Meetings with Ford 1696097869211
 

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Maybe you skipped over what I said. I said kids, young adults and older adults. I'm in no way saying that there shouldn't be an older representation. It just seems like that's all that there is with Ford. The pigeonhole themselves with, only, people who are avid supporters and seemingly older.

This quote from Rivian is exactly what will drive these brands forward. Ford should be paying attention:

Ford Mustang Mach-E My Trip to Detroit Auto Show and Meetings with Ford 1696097869211
It’s a fair call out.

Just food for thought counterpoint- Every company can’t be everything to to everyone. It’s ok for a product to have a target audience and lean into it.

As much as Buick would love to cater to a younger crowd, it just ain’t happening.

Mach E buyers? Middle aged people who have some nostalgia for the “Mustang.” Yup…… that’s us. 😂
 

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BC 1.3 is awesome!
It's starting. Power Up 6.1.0 is the first of a series.


Significant improvement in the Rally through software and hardware changes. Expect a software improvement to existing GTs and GTPEs.

Lots of other nuggets of intel will be peppered around the threads. Most importantly, Ford is listening and taking action to make things better for future models and cars already on the road.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: In the words of Donald Fagen "the future looks bright" 😊
 


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Unfortunately we won't be seeing anything like the rally has get OTA'd -- its rear motor is more powerful and made by ford directly.
 

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Unfortunately we won't be seeing anything like the rally has get OTA'd -- its rear motor is more powerful and made by ford directly.
The motors aren’t the weak link.

Existing GTs could have up to 580 hp out of the existing motors. And I certainly wouldn’t complain about that!

I think we may be maxed out in torque though.
 

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It’s a fair call out.

Just food for thought counterpoint- Every company can’t be everything to to everyone. It’s ok for a product to have a target audience and lean into it.

As much as Buick would love to cater to a younger crowd, it just ain’t happening.

Mach E buyers? Middle aged people who have some nostalgia for the “Mustang.” Yup…… that’s us. 😂
I feel Ford should be focusing on EVs, not necessarily a "Mustang". Buick had 0.78% of the US market share in 2022. 🤣

My point is that EVs are the future, therefore I believe Ford should target the future generation, not just the outgoing one. I think they are going the Buick route. Having the large MME inventory that they have plus 100+ days to sale on average show that something is broken. I'm sure there's many reasons for that, but just one observation I see is that our youth don't seem involved in Ford's marketing strategy or input. RJ (Rivian) is inviting 8th grade podcaster's to the factory and sitting down with them for interviews. You have to get in front of the next generation, listen to their wants and drive interest.
 

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The motors aren’t the weak link.

Existing GTs could have up to 580 hp out of the existing motors. And I certainly wouldn’t complain about that!

I think we may be maxed out in torque though.
The pouch cells they're using are already at their limits, as for the HVBJB, well yeah, that speaks for itself. There's some room to de-rate the front motor a bit on launch. Just burns the tires on launch. Even went down to 25psi trying to buy a little more contact patch. Need to try 200lbs of cement in the frunk.
 

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I feel Ford should be focusing on EVs, not necessarily a "Mustang". Buick had 0.78% of the US market share in 2022. 🤣
They certainly squandered the opportunity to deliver a competitive product with the name given the 5 second shenanigans. A 'mustang' at this price point that can't break 130 and cuts power by half before 80 ticks over? I'd ask how that occurred but I've seen enough of their "leads" to already know the answer.
 

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The pouch cells they're using are already at their limits, as for the HVBJB, well yeah, that speaks for itself. There's some room to de-rate the front motor a bit on launch. Just burns the tires on launch. Even went down to 25psi trying to buy a little more contact patch. Need to try 200lbs of cement in the frunk.
Good thing they aren’t at their limit. Or else we wouldn’t be getting confirmation once again that they’re going to change the limit.

For sure traction is an issue. It’s why my next tires will be PS4S. I’m glad they don’t limit torque on the launch like other EVs do as it’s our only parlor trick at the moment.
 

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I feel Ford should be focusing on EVs, not necessarily a "Mustang". Buick had 0.78% of the US market share in 2022. 🤣

My point is that EVs are the future, therefore I believe Ford should target the future generation, not just the outgoing one. I think they are going the Buick route. Having the large MME inventory that they have plus 100+ days to sale on average show that something is broken. I'm sure there's many reasons for that, but just one observation I see is that our youth don't seem involved in Ford's marketing strategy or input. RJ (Rivian) is inviting 8th grade podcaster's to the factory and sitting down with them for interviews. You have to get in front of the next generation, listen to their wants and drive interest.
We got a lot of years (decades) left in the tank before us middle aged folks become the outgoing generation.

The hard part with targeting young people is that it doesn’t help sales…… now. They don’t have the $$ for these $70k SUVs and $100k pickups.

No point marketing a car to people who can’t afford it.
 

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The hard part with targeting young people is that it doesn’t help sales…… now. They don’t have the $$ for these $70k SUVs and $100k pickups.
I think you're missing my point. It does help sales now! Teens and pre-teens have a lot of influence on their parents purchases. They educate them on what's out there and "what's cool". The quote that I referenced above is exactly what I'm talking about. I don't think 16 year olds are buying Ford EVs, Teslas or Rivians, we agree there.

Let me give you an example from my personal experience and I'm sure other Rivian owners can probably relate:

Rivian:
Older person - Who makes that truck? Ford? How many miles do you get?
Younger person - That truck is bad-ass. How do you like it? I wish I had one. Just yesterday - from an 8 year old, my dad wants one of these or a cybertruck.

MachE:
Older person - That's a mustang? What did they do to it? Why does it have 4 doors?
Younger person - Never approaches you... crickets.

Anyway, just a personal observation. I'll bow out of this now. I don't want to go on for 15 pages about old vs young because I know I'll loose that battle around here :)
 
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For obvious reasons, EV startups appeal to kids a lot more than the old Detroit hands do. Ford & Chevy are similar in that respect. No shame in that. Now if Ford can bring a cheaper, smaller EV (like the Bolt) to market, then the 30-40 yo's might take notice.
 

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I agree to a certain extent only because I know some >50 people who own Rivians and Teslas. Perhaps the exceptions that prove the rule.
Supporting your position, I've not seen MME promotions on mainstream media, which could help attract younger drivers.
Mainstream media? Well that’s yer problem. My teen consumes YT and that clock thing. If a twenty-something is not there talking about fart sounds, it is probably not interesting. The younger folks are saying “why would you buy this?” I was at an DriveElectric event trying to figure out how to put something onscreen that will interest passerby. I’ll have it fixed for the next one!
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