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Full-time DCFC charging isn't really recommended for the battery though. Not that some won't do it. "Free" is very powerful (even though it just means other people are paying for it). Still though, it's not really a great solution. I wouldn't buy a BEV without dependable, cheap L2 charging.
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Over 40¢ per kWh where I live. The lowest in our state is a bit under 30¢ per kWh. So yes, yes they are.
Living on an island harder than most people realize. In 2013 we hit 65¢ per kWh because the St. Croix power plant was burning diesel fuel to create electricity. We had solar to help offset it but that first $1,100 electric was a shocker.
 

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Living on an island harder than most people realize. In 2013 we hit 65¢ per kWh because the St. Croix power plant was burning diesel fuel to create electricity. We had solar to help offset it but that first $1,100 electric was a shocker.
Our old house was 1200 sq ft and had to have the AC running 24/7 for 10 months out if the year. Average bill? Over $600. I just paid $3.55 per gallon for 87 octane gas. Yeah it’s not cheap but lord ... we never hit $1100.
 

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Living on an island harder than most people realize. In 2013 we hit 65¢ per kWh because the St. Croix power plant was burning diesel fuel to create electricity. We had solar to help offset it but that first $1,100 electric was a shocker.
no thanks some people pay that for a whole year.
 

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Community services can help solve this. In a Baltimore community near Federal Hill, they have installed a free 50kW DCFC at the local library to help solve this problem. The neighborhoods have almost all on-street parking.
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That is a great thing.
We are working on a program with the local grocery stores to offer free DCFC with points earned by shopping at the store. They do it already (sorta) with fuel discounts so this is the next likely step.
 


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Full-time DCFC charging isn't really recommended for the battery though. Not that some won't do it. "Free" is very powerful (even though it just means other people are paying for it). Still though, it's not really a great solution. I wouldn't buy a BEV without dependable, cheap L2 charging.
Very wise.

However, as time progresses and more EVs become available second or third hand for very little up front cost then DCFC charging might not be that big of a deal. Those folks arent using that car for vacations or holidays.....they would most likely use it to commute to work and run errands. A better solution than buying a worn out ICE and burning cash in fuel, maintenance and repairs.
 

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Well, that and reality.

Are the compromises sometimes overstated? Sure. But as we're seeing right here, they're also sometimes understated.

You're probably right that many routes in CA and up along the coast have pretty good charger coverage. But as frequently happens, that ignores all us people in flyover country (like, 80% of the land in the continental US). Most of the country doesn't have anywhere near the charger coverage you have in the coastal cities.

If "assuming you do not bother to alter your methodology about when to fill up" refers having to stop every 100 miles instead of 250 to refuel (for 30+ minutes each stop), then sure. That's kinda the whole issue. As long as no one cares about burning all that extra time, then it's a non-issue. But I think you'll find that many people do care, and will care.

Actually I shouldn't say that's the "whole" issue. The other issue is being able to get many places at all, because there's little to no charger coverage in so many places. That'll improve throughout the decade, of course, but there's a LOT of land in flyover country that the coastal folks often forget about.

BEVs are currently a good fit for SOME in the right situations. But there's still a long way to go to be a good fit for MOST.
I'll reiterate something I've said before: you are not speaking out of experience. This became much less of an issue once I actually started driving a BEV and seeing that it is not as inconvenient as I had expected and that much of range anxiety was unfounded.
 

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Doesn't have to be perfect. But doing something that's not good for one's new expensive car is kinda the opposite.
Granted but driving a car wears it out. For some, the practical use case involves much more DC fast charging that it does for others. As infrastructure develops, more people will have access to charging, perhaps L2 at work. That will cut down on how often they need to use L3.
 

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Hard to tell, since many people seem to think that generating electricity from nuclear is free. And it sorta is, but then there all those other costs, that most people don't think about.
No, it is very expensive - thus the rate double what you pay
 

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I'll reiterate something I've said before: you are not speaking out of experience. This became much less of an issue once I actually started driving a BEV and seeing that it is not as inconvenient as I had expected and that much of range anxiety was unfounded.
This was my experience as well. I was totally convinced that I needed 250 miles of range before I would consider a BEV. I then ended up buying one with less than half that range.....because it was brand new and the dealership was asking $16k. I figured I would give it a try for that price and worst case I sell the car and admit defeat. Best case is the car meets or exceeds my needs and I drive emission free on a daily basis.

Less than 2 years later and 46k miles and I couldn't be more pleased with the vehicle. I believe this will be the case with most every one here. They are going to love the Mach E and range will be a non issue to the vast majority because most people dont take road trips on a regular basis. A very few do......but the majority do not.
 

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This was my experience as well. I was totally convinced that I needed 250 miles of range before I would consider a BEV. I then ended up buying one with less than half that range.....because it was brand new and the dealership was asking $16k. I figured I would give it a try for that price and worst case I sell the car and admit defeat. Best case is the car meets or exceeds my needs and I drive emission free on a daily basis.

Less than 2 years later and 46k miles and I couldn't be more pleased with the vehicle. I believe this will be the case with most every one here. They are going to love the Mach E and range will be a non issue to the vast majority because most people dont take road trips on a regular basis. A very few do......but the majority do not.
I think that the range would not be such a what-if if somehow the tech gets good enough where the loss of battery year to year is as minimum as can be.
 

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I think that the range would not be such a what-if if somehow the tech gets good enough where the loss of battery year to year is as minimum as can be.
Like if they built in a big buffer and encourage you to L2 charge instead of DCFC on a regular basis? ?
 

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Granted but driving a car wears it out. For some, the practical use case involves much more DC fast charging that it does for others. As infrastructure develops, more people will have access to charging, perhaps L2 at work. That will cut down on how often they need to use L3.
But doesn't that contradict the whole point of what you posted above about L3 chargers on the streets for apartment dwellers? Wouldn't the point of that be to be used as their routine charging all the time?

If it were at a major tourist spot as destination charging, then yes, L3 is a good fit. But not for residents charging full time. Unless/until full-time DCFC charging becomes a non-problem for batteries.
 

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But doesn't that contradict the whole point of what you posted above about L3 chargers on the streets for apartment dwellers? Wouldn't the point of that be to be used as their routine charging all the time?

If it were at a major tourist spot as destination charging, then yes, L3 is a good fit. But not for residents charging full time. Unless/until full-time DCFC charging becomes a non-problem for batteries.
For some, they will accept the added battery degradation of using L3 full time. For others, such community charging infrastructure is part of their solution, not the entire solution. Even if I knew I could do most of my charging on L2s at work, having a neighborhood L3 for times I needed it could make BEV adoption more palatable. I’m in favor of providing lots of options. For apartment or crowded city-dwellers, a neighborhood L3 can be an important part of the solution.
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