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[Mach1E]

CD or confirmation bias, take your pick. But based on your responses in that thread, it was clear your mind was made up before you asked the question.

But none of this is the point. You came in guns a blazing at the OP and criticizing anyone else around………. While most of your criticism could be equally given to you. Just a little hypocritical is all.

And yes, hypocrisy just like CD, it’s as common as breathing.

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[JerryL]

Passive aggressive much?

 

[Mach1E]

Yup, you’re the victim here. Lol.

Yup, you start drama then complain about drama. There is a reason the “he started it” defense is time honored.

And no, nothing you said was complex nor needed further explanation. I do appreciate the poor attempt at condescension (that means to talk down to someone). ?

To the OP and anyone else reading, I do apologize to you for this unnecessary diatribe.

Back to car talk!

 

[KevinS]

Wow, only a member for a week, and you're already making friends. Good for you!

 

[JerryL]

I don’t think you should contribute to any thread in this forum. Take your ball and go home.

 

[JerryL]

Thank you

 

[HFn!eSwMFilFX4mxbn&!P9T&G]

Thanks, but just to be clear, I think pretty much all of us took issue with your posts. Some of us were just trying to ignore you. In the words of coach “Do better” it’s something I try to work on daily. ??

 

[EVS]

Hey @SnowBunnE (OP), I don't know how to react to your post, since you got in an accident & your Mache-E was totaled, but you also found a new EV6 with no ADM. I guess all is well if it ended well! Have fun with the EV6!

Here, within 40 miles of SF bay area, all the EV6 have $5k ADM added to them.

 

[voxel]

I respect that. My car didn’t have Bluecruis as it wasn’t a feature I needed. I’m a keep “your hands on the wheel” driver and I rarely use cruise control (maybe once in the past 10 years) so that wasn’t huge for me. Like you, the EV6 checks off a LOT of boxes, even some I didn’t know I wanted (there is a touch less trunk opening that I accidentally stumbled upon) and the HUD with directions is absolutely amazing. It works best with the Kia Navigation and not Google Maps so, that kinda sucks. Maybe in a future update.

in terms of the actual driving experience…we already know that there is a low center of gravity so it sticks to the road…and I’ve spoken of the cornering of the car Previously.I read that one of the developers of the car was a high level Exec from BMW and it most definitely feels like a German car. If you like German cars, u won’t be disappointed. That is, if you are in the market.

cockpit is cozier ( in a good way) and all of the screens are angled towards the driver as well. Not sure why I like that so much but it feels like a car designed for the driver (which it should be) with comforts for the passengers.

I also can confirm that the seats sit lower than the Mach E. Front and Back. If you are taller (I’m 6’) say over 6’1”, it will work for you with some adjustments but this is NOT the car to taxi around tall occupants. The moonroof helps create headroom but, just for the front passengers. Oh and the room under the front row seats is tighter than a closed wafflemaker.

The car is very quick and WILL push your head back in your seat, like the MME GT. It’s comparable because the car is a little lighter than the MME.

Finally, the car has been more efficient. They tell you how Your usage is, in real time, which has lightened my lead foot. They also give you guesstimates on your range based on the mode you are in and if your HVACis being used. Very very useful. Where the EV6 shines the most is in the driving experience (be it the cockpit, tech or actually driving.) I havent Noticed the “floaty/sluggish” driving…I will say this ECO mode driving MME > ECO mode driving EV6 but, who the hell drives in THAT mode? Not me ??

EV6 is a great car. Don't let others tell you otherwise.

the HUD with directions is absolutely amazing. It works best with the Kia Navigation and not Google Maps so, that kinda sucks. Maybe in a future update.

Yeah, just give up on that. VW had the same fancy lit direction arrows on the dash that only worked with their native navigation and a year later... no software updates. Kia and Hyundai are replacing their system with Nvidia Drive so this 1st year model with the current infotainment/nav system is just a stopgap.

 

[SnowBunnE]

Hey @SnowBunnE (OP), I don't know how to react to your post, since you got in an accident & your Mache-E was totaled, but you also found a new EV6 with no ADM. I guess all is well if it ended well! Have fun with the EV6!

Here, within 40 miles of SF bay area, all the EV6 have $5k ADM added to them.

Technically, mine had 5 K adm as well. I was able to have the 1811 dropped and the other 2500 or so was added in as “dealer addons”. I could live with that as opposed to an outright 5000 in cash.

 

[SnowBunnE]

EV6 is a great car. Don't let others tell you otherwise.



Yeah, just give up on that. VW had the same fancy lit direction arrows on the dash that only worked with their native navigation and a year later... no software updates. Kia and Hyundai are replacing their system with Nvidia Drive so this 1st year model with the current infotainment/nav system is just a stopgap.

Very good info to know. Thank you. Consider my expectations curbed…

 

[Christina]

TLDR - My GT was hit and totaled by a driver last Tuesday. Dealership would not budge on the ADM. Purchased an EV6 with No Markup. I compare both cars.

Well, it happened. On 3/8/22 my Mach E was totaled by another driver. I was in the car but, miraculously walked away mostly unscathed. Luckily, a Cop witnessed the whole thing so the insurance claim flew along in near record time. Considering how fast he was traveling, had he T-Boned instead of swiped me, well, I’d rather not think about that. My car was totaled. His car ended up +200 feet up the road after impact to give you an idea of how fast he was going. I’m lucky to be alive.
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The next day, I called my dealership (Conshahocken Ford) and my Ford sales guy (Pete) let me know that there was another GT coming in the next 10 days that I could “hold” with a down payment. I explicitly expressed that I was not going to pay a markup and if they were going to charge me one, I would not be interested. His answer “come in, let me see what I can do” turns out, he couldn’t do ?.

The finance manager wanted 10K over MSRP, and was only willing to come down to 5k. After a rise in both the price of the car AND interest rates, I wasn’t willing to budge more than $2500. Considering I just purchased a Mach E back in December, maybe I was foolish to believe that they would give me some consideration. Nevertheless, after 20 minutes stuck in the mud, I wished Pete the best and left.

A while back, someone posted pics of the KIA EV6 here. While I didn’t like look from the rear as much as my GT, I did admire the look of the car overall. After seeing one in the wild a couple weeks ago and again at the Philadelphia Car Show last week, it was still on my mind. Highly motivated to buy another EV ASAP (I’m not the ONLY one looking at those gas prices, Amirite?) I went home and did a little research on the EV6. Not bad…not bad at all. After hoping against hope and calling all of the Ford dealers in the area (each with a 5K-15K markup on all Mach E’s) I decided to travel to the local Kia dealership.

I’m glad that I did.

Turns out, they had a 1st edition EV6-GT-Line available. The catch? $5000 over MSRP. I told myself that if I really liked the car, and it came close to the GT Mach E, I would purchase it. Because it costs less than the GT, I would be able to afford the Markup…not that I had plans on paying over MSRP for it…

After the test drive, I was absolutely sold. For as cold as my Ford dealership was, the Kia dealership was the total opposite. Warm and friendly, we made a deal and signed some initial paperwork. Turns out, the actual ADM was $1811 over MSRP. I was able to negotiate that down to $0 and wound up paying appx $3K in “dealer options” that I may or may not have taken otherwise. View attachment 57617
These are the “options” that were added to the deal. Free inspections for life and the various protection plans (of which I would have probably passed on) are listed above.
Hey, if they are gonna try and uckf me with the ADM’s at least give me a lollipop afterwards…??.

All in all, I was able to get a fully spec’d EV6 GT-Line 1st edition for less than I paid for the Mach E GT. After driving it in the test drive and subsequently to the shop that takes care of my PPF, I have a few comments about the comparison.

What I’ll miss about my GT (Exterior)

• I loved the Rims on the GT. That flower petal design grew on me and grew on me quickly. Edit: and as mentioned, they were a breeze to clean.
• The rear end of the Mustang looks better than a lot of the cars out there. Compared to the EV6’s rear (Which IS growing on me), the MME will be missed. Walking up to my MME from the back gave me the same smile as walking up to my wife from the back…both shaped exactly how I like.
• The light up Pony on the GT Face is just cool…period.
• The satisfaction of having an exclusive car that was complimented daily. (This actually may be an EV thing because I’ve been asked about the EV6 multiple times already).

What I’ll miss about my GT (Interior)

• The Panoramic Roof (which created additional headroom in the rear)
• 0-60 in 3.8 seconds
• Storage (Frunk and Trunk)

As you can see, the list of things I’ll miss are minimal, at best. Besides the design of the rear of the MME and the pano-roof, the EV6 is (and I hate to say it here…) Better..to ME. This isn’t a Mustang hater speaking either, btw…I LOVED my GT…but after 4 months as my daily (and part time Uber/Lyft) driver, I have many many hours driving the vehicle. I feel at least somewhat qualified to make a non biased comparison. Let me explain.

What I don’t like about the EV6 (Exterior)

• The Rims are…meh. I’ve been looking for MMEGT style rims ever since I picked the EV6 up. These rims look easy to clean as well, I just don’t like them as much. They remind me of a 90’s Hot Wheels car or something…??.
• The rear is ok…in a Aston Martin-ish kind of way…like I mentioned before, it’s growing on me and DEFINITELY looks better in person than in the pics. If they change the styling of the GT when it drops, I’ll be on that b4 u can blink.

What I don’t like about the EV6 (Interior)

• Storage - This is my biggest gripe and a space that I feel Kia REALLY dropped the ball. There is NO storage to speak of. Yes, there is a “frunk” but, It won’t hold more than a ream of paper. Same for the storage under the “trunk space” it’s abysmal. View attachment 57613
  
• If you enjoy the frunk of the Mach E and Model Y…then be ready for some serious compromises if you choose any EV6 AWD model with the upgraded sound system. It really is frustratingly small. I’m still trying to figure out the best place for the charging cables (which don’t come with the car, btw).
• No Panoramic Roof. They say that there is one but, its just an extra wide sunroof for the front passengers. It does open so, there’s that. ??
• The sound system…it’s not nearly as punchy as the Ford. I’ll be making some mods here for sure.
• WIRED Carplay/Android Auto…SMH

Besides those points…I can honestly say that Kia has somehow bested what I thought was the best EV of last year. How is it better you ask?

• Infotainment System / Tech - The dual 12” screens (One of which is touchscreen) are sharp, customizable and snappy. The lag is minimal and while it isn’t Tesla smooth, it’s close…damn close. The driver screen, unlike the one on the MME, provides a wealth of information and has option screens which provide additional information about the car. There is an Augmented Reality screen on the windshield which shows turn by turn directions actually ON the road in front of you as well as relevant speed limit info, speed etc. It’s really cool and a very nice touch coming from a pretty basic and static 2nd screen on the MME. View attachment 57606 There is also a cool feature where, when you turn on your turn signal, the camera under your respective side mirror shows a real time video of your blind spot. This is in addition to the blind spot that shows both on the AR projection and the bright sign on the side mirrors. View attachment 57608 (A feature I’m sure Ford will make available in future updates)
• The interior quality speaks to a quality level at worse: on par or slightly better than the MME and at best…It’s an elevated experience. At least for the driver…I’ve yet to ride in the rear. The kids love it tho…but they don’t count ?
• Ride Quality - Very quiet cabin. The only ride that beats it is the MME GTPE. If you don’t have one of those, you’re not beating the quality of the ride on the EV6. ? It’s composed, comfortable, not nearly as Firm as my GT yet handles turns with the same or better sure footedness as my GT. I’m sure the 255/45R20’s had a part to play there. There is a tighter turn radius as well. The car IS zippy. Not 3.8 0-60 but 4.6 0-60 isn’t anything to sneeze at. I am still surprising sports cars off the light and I can pass on the highway as needed…just like the MME. There isn’t a “5 seconds of power” limitation either.
• LED Lighting - Looks much better and is more pronounced in the EV6….if you like that kind of thing. The kids love it.
• Heated and Cooled front seats, Heated rear seats, that slightly recline.
• A Heat Pump!
• Faster Charging (I’ve only seen up to 278Kw charging speeds but, I was able to top off my car from 67% to 90% in 5 minutes or so. THIS will be key on road trips for my family and I.
• 10 yr / 100000 mile warranty on the battery and other parts…incredible. I purchased the extended warranty from Ford on my car to help with the 3 year/36000 MAX warranty.
• Vehicle to Load - I dont see myself ever using this feature but, who knows….maybe I will one day.

Overall, I’m very very happy with my choice. I will say this however, there are NO fans like Mustang fans…I could always depend on a steady stream of info, news, pics, idea and comedy in this forum. I may lurk for a lil while longer but, try not to blow by me if you see me around these Philadelphia Streets…?. Safe rides and long ranges folks…?


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My baby…?
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His car…Don’t drive under the influence folks.
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One of my 1st Charging sessions
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After my PPF was installed.
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EV6 - Ready to roll
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Thick in the hips…

I haven’t checked this for typos or errors so, I may make a few edits here and there. But, u get the gist. Feel free to AMA.

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Glad you are ok!

 

[BilLongua]

TLDR - My GT was hit and totaled by a driver last Tuesday. Dealership would not budge on the ADM. Purchased an EV6 with No Markup. I compare both cars.

Well, it happened. On 3/8/22 my Mach E was totaled by another driver. I was in the car but, miraculously walked away mostly unscathed. Luckily, a Cop witnessed the whole thing so the insurance claim flew along in near record time. Considering how fast he was traveling, had he T-Boned instead of swiped me, well, I’d rather not think about that. My car was totaled. His car ended up +200 feet up the road after impact to give you an idea of how fast he was going. I’m lucky to be alive.
View attachment 57600
The next day, I called my dealership (Conshahocken Ford) and my Ford sales guy (Pete) let me know that there was another GT coming in the next 10 days that I could “hold” with a down payment. I explicitly expressed that I was not going to pay a markup and if they were going to charge me one, I would not be interested. His answer “come in, let me see what I can do” turns out, he couldn’t do ?.

The finance manager wanted 10K over MSRP, and was only willing to come down to 5k. After a rise in both the price of the car AND interest rates, I wasn’t willing to budge more than $2500. Considering I just purchased a Mach E back in December, maybe I was foolish to believe that they would give me some consideration. Nevertheless, after 20 minutes stuck in the mud, I wished Pete the best and left.

A while back, someone posted pics of the KIA EV6 here. While I didn’t like look from the rear as much as my GT, I did admire the look of the car overall. After seeing one in the wild a couple weeks ago and again at the Philadelphia Car Show last week, it was still on my mind. Highly motivated to buy another EV ASAP (I’m not the ONLY one looking at those gas prices, Amirite?) I went home and did a little research on the EV6. Not bad…not bad at all. After hoping against hope and calling all of the Ford dealers in the area (each with a 5K-15K markup on all Mach E’s) I decided to travel to the local Kia dealership.

I’m glad that I did.

Turns out, they had a 1st edition EV6-GT-Line available. The catch? $5000 over MSRP. I told myself that if I really liked the car, and it came close to the GT Mach E, I would purchase it. Because it costs less than the GT, I would be able to afford the Markup…not that I had plans on paying over MSRP for it…

After the test drive, I was absolutely sold. For as cold as my Ford dealership was, the Kia dealership was the total opposite. Warm and friendly, we made a deal and signed some initial paperwork. Turns out, the actual ADM was $1811 over MSRP. I was able to negotiate that down to $0 and wound up paying appx $3K in “dealer options” that I may or may not have taken otherwise. View attachment 57617
These are the “options” that were added to the deal. Free inspections for life and the various protection plans (of which I would have probably passed on) are listed above.
Hey, if they are gonna try and uckf me with the ADM’s at least give me a lollipop afterwards…??.

All in all, I was able to get a fully spec’d EV6 GT-Line 1st edition for less than I paid for the Mach E GT. After driving it in the test drive and subsequently to the shop that takes care of my PPF, I have a few comments about the comparison.

What I’ll miss about my GT (Exterior)

• I loved the Rims on the GT. That flower petal design grew on me and grew on me quickly. Edit: and as mentioned, they were a breeze to clean.
• The rear end of the Mustang looks better than a lot of the cars out there. Compared to the EV6’s rear (Which IS growing on me), the MME will be missed. Walking up to my MME from the back gave me the same smile as walking up to my wife from the back…both shaped exactly how I like.
• The light up Pony on the GT Face is just cool…period.
• The satisfaction of having an exclusive car that was complimented daily. (This actually may be an EV thing because I’ve been asked about the EV6 multiple times already).

What I’ll miss about my GT (Interior)

• The Panoramic Roof (which created additional headroom in the rear)
• 0-60 in 3.8 seconds
• Storage (Frunk and Trunk)

As you can see, the list of things I’ll miss are minimal, at best. Besides the design of the rear of the MME and the pano-roof, the EV6 is (and I hate to say it here…) Better..to ME. This isn’t a Mustang hater speaking either, btw…I LOVED my GT…but after 4 months as my daily (and part time Uber/Lyft) driver, I have many many hours driving the vehicle. I feel at least somewhat qualified to make a non biased comparison. Let me explain.

What I don’t like about the EV6 (Exterior)

• The Rims are…meh. I’ve been looking for MMEGT style rims ever since I picked the EV6 up. These rims look easy to clean as well, I just don’t like them as much. They remind me of a 90’s Hot Wheels car or something…??.
• The rear is ok…in a Aston Martin-ish kind of way…like I mentioned before, it’s growing on me and DEFINITELY looks better in person than in the pics. If they change the styling of the GT when it drops, I’ll be on that b4 u can blink.

What I don’t like about the EV6 (Interior)

• Storage - This is my biggest gripe and a space that I feel Kia REALLY dropped the ball. There is NO storage to speak of. Yes, there is a “frunk” but, It won’t hold more than a ream of paper. Same for the storage under the “trunk space” it’s abysmal. View attachment 57613
  
• If you enjoy the frunk of the Mach E and Model Y…then be ready for some serious compromises if you choose any EV6 AWD model with the upgraded sound system. It really is frustratingly small. I’m still trying to figure out the best place for the charging cables (which don’t come with the car, btw).
• No Panoramic Roof. They say that there is one but, its just an extra wide sunroof for the front passengers. It does open so, there’s that. ??
• The sound system…it’s not nearly as punchy as the Ford. I’ll be making some mods here for sure.
• WIRED Carplay/Android Auto…SMH

Besides those points…I can honestly say that Kia has somehow bested what I thought was the best EV of last year. How is it better you ask?

• Infotainment System / Tech - The dual 12” screens (One of which is touchscreen) are sharp, customizable and snappy. The lag is minimal and while it isn’t Tesla smooth, it’s close…damn close. The driver screen, unlike the one on the MME, provides a wealth of information and has option screens which provide additional information about the car. There is an Augmented Reality screen on the windshield which shows turn by turn directions actually ON the road in front of you as well as relevant speed limit info, speed etc. It’s really cool and a very nice touch coming from a pretty basic and static 2nd screen on the MME. View attachment 57606 There is also a cool feature where, when you turn on your turn signal, the camera under your respective side mirror shows a real time video of your blind spot. This is in addition to the blind spot that shows both on the AR projection and the bright sign on the side mirrors. View attachment 57608 (A feature I’m sure Ford will make available in future updates)
• The interior quality speaks to a quality level at worse: on par or slightly better than the MME and at best…It’s an elevated experience. At least for the driver…I’ve yet to ride in the rear. The kids love it tho…but they don’t count ?
• Ride Quality - Very quiet cabin. The only ride that beats it is the MME GTPE. If you don’t have one of those, you’re not beating the quality of the ride on the EV6. ? It’s composed, comfortable, not nearly as Firm as my GT yet handles turns with the same or better sure footedness as my GT. I’m sure the 255/45R20’s had a part to play there. There is a tighter turn radius as well. The car IS zippy. Not 3.8 0-60 but 4.6 0-60 isn’t anything to sneeze at. I am still surprising sports cars off the light and I can pass on the highway as needed…just like the MME. There isn’t a “5 seconds of power” limitation either.
• LED Lighting - Looks much better and is more pronounced in the EV6….if you like that kind of thing. The kids love it.
• Heated and Cooled front seats, Heated rear seats, that slightly recline.
• A Heat Pump!
• Faster Charging (I’ve only seen up to 278Kw charging speeds but, I was able to top off my car from 67% to 90% in 5 minutes or so. THIS will be key on road trips for my family and I.
• 10 yr / 100000 mile warranty on the battery and other parts…incredible. I purchased the extended warranty from Ford on my car to help with the 3 year/36000 MAX warranty.
• Vehicle to Load - I dont see myself ever using this feature but, who knows….maybe I will one day.

Overall, I’m very very happy with my choice. I will say this however, there are NO fans like Mustang fans…I could always depend on a steady stream of info, news, pics, idea and comedy in this forum. I may lurk for a lil while longer but, try not to blow by me if you see me around these Philadelphia Streets…?. Safe rides and long ranges folks…?


View attachment 57597
My baby…?
View attachment 57596
His car…Don’t drive under the influence folks.
View attachment 57615
One of my 1st Charging sessions
View attachment 57616
After my PPF was installed.
View attachment 57599
EV6 - Ready to roll
View attachment 57598
Thick in the hips…

I haven’t checked this for typos or errors so, I may make a few edits here and there. But, u get the gist. Feel free to AMA.

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Glad you’re safe & unharmed! It’s a shame that this totals the Mach E. Insurance doesn’t cover the replacement cost of the car in this case? Also, just curios if you called Paoli Ford? Philly guy here too. Go Sixers!

 

[SnowBunnE]

Glad you’re safe & unharmed! It’s a shame that this totals the Mach E. Insurance doesn’t cover the replacement cost of the car in this case? Also, just curios if you called Paoli Ford? Philly guy here too. Go Sixers!

I’ll be at the Sixers vs Miami game tonight!
I called ALL the Ford dealers in a 60 Mile radius. Either they didn’t have any MME’s or there was a markup on the ones they did have. Remember, I was driving a GT so, I wasnt interested in anything less than a GT. I was even willing to go up to a PE. It worked out for the best tho.

My Policy didn’t have “new car replacement” so they were only going to budge but so much. I got enough to cover my MME loan and get a new vehicle so, I was satisfied.

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