The decision process: what it boils down to

[EVready]

I have given a lot of thought and test drives to try and determine if its a MME, MY or something else. And like everything else it comes down to compromise. But to try and boil it down a little more, it occurs to me that while Tesla has superior tech, its all stashed in the big screen - not as user friendly as current ICE cars or the MME and others.

So without being too long winded, one has to decide what is more important. From what I have garnered on this and other forums is the MME and others are easier transitions into BEVs as they have various levels of controls, features of ICE cars. While Tesla has pushed that envelop further along; I wonder how long it would take to get used to the 'new' way of accessing functions.

Owning the MME, what do you guys think?

TN

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[KevinS]

But to try and boil it down a little more, it occurs to me that while Tesla has superior tech, its all stashed in the big screen - not as user friendly as current ICE cars or the MME and others.

I sold my 2016 Mustang EcoBoost for my MME and found the transition to be very natural. I like the physical controls on the wheel instead of having to access the distracting screen to the right.

I also found, since the nearest Tesla dealership is 2 1/2 hours from me, that having Ford dealers within a few miles of my home/work gave me more comfort. I've heard some horror stories about Tesla repairs, so the option of multiple dealerships nearby is even better.

 

[timbop]

I have given a lot of thought and test drives to try and determine if its a MME, MY or something else. And like everything else it comes down to compromise. But to try and boil it down a little more, it occurs to me that while Tesla has superior tech, its all stashed in the big screen - not as user friendly as current ICE cars or the MME and others.

So without being too long winded, one has to decide what is more important. From what I have garnered on this and other forums is the MME and others are easier transitions into BEVs as they have various levels of controls, features of ICE cars. While Tesla has pushed that envelop further along; I wonder how long it would take to get used to the 'new' way of accessing functions.

Owning the MME, what do you guys think?

TN

I test drove a model 3 while I was getting antsy about my Mach E order in mid 2020, and it is far from intuitive. I actually read the manual the night before, and I still had trouble remembering how to move the seats, steering wheel, and how to get the car in gear. You read that correctly - it took prompting from the sales rep to accomplish those simple tasks. None of the physical controls are labeled, and the gear shift is like a motorcycle's in that you have to actuate it several times to step through the settings. Even worse you tap up on the shifter to go into reverse OR turn off autopilot - so don't forget if you have AP on. Overall the UI is actually far clumsier than real buttons/controls and is in no way better - it is purely a cost saving measure on Tesla's part. The same is true for the cheap plain interior that they try to pass off as "minimalist chic".

The car itself was peppier than my Mach E (it was a dual motor M3), but there is no way I could lend it to my wife on an occasional basis because she would get frustrated trying to remember how the controls work.

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I sold my 2016 Mustang EcoBoost for my MME and found the transition to be very natural. I like the physical controls on the wheel instead of having to access the distracting screen to the right.

THIS. The Mach E has virtually the same controls as every other car you've driven, and they are all labeled and placed where you'd expect them

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

THIS. The Mach E has virtually the same controls as every other car you've driven, and they are all labeled and placed where you'd expect them

To be fair, some things *cough*climate*cough* can take a little getting used to, but yeah, the "normal people drivable" thing is huge.

It's also part of why the Hertz Tesla story feels like a possible fiasco.

 

[Peaceowl]

We need a cheat sheet Of the top 10 most important settings and where they are. That’s what I am going to do. Once I instantly know those, I will work on the next ten. There is just tmi To process Especially while driving.

bottom line, just go get an ecar you can afford and enjoy it. You can always sell it if you change your mind. It’s important to not let Pony lights or Tesla range decisions stop you from contributing to cleaning up this planet. Just do it.?

 

[HuntingPudel]

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[yngwenli]

It's also part of why the Hertz Tesla story feels like a possible fiasco.

I think Hertz went Tesla purely for the supercharging network. Enough horror videos with charging for everyone else where that's still Tesla's most powerful advantage IMO vs. any other EV.

The MY has
+ (range/charging network/0-60 straight line/tech/much faster OTA updates)
/- (empty 'minimalistic' car, no driver front screen, need to tap screen to open the frigging glove box, no 360 view camera, ugly (that's my opinion), worst driveability/handling, charges you more $$ for anything not white, common as a Prius in CA, probably more vandalism since people love hating on Tesla)

vs. a MME depending on person (I probably have tons more +/- and am biased...why I'm here).

If you don't need it (I've never used an outside charger in 2+ years in a Bolt), the supercharging network is worth $0 to me.

 

[connoisseurr]

Honestly, IMO, Tesla does NOT have superior tech. They're using current technology and engineering practices in a different manner in comparison to other auto manufacturers. They have the ability to be more risky when it comes to design and implementation, due to the lack of reputation they have compared to other auto manufacturers.

I personally think the entire Tesla portfolio is rushed to market, which is seen by crappy interior and exterior panel alignment, crappy design practices (my favorite is the original Model 3 trunk/rear glass design; if raining, water rolls from trunk lid, to rear window, and falls right into trunk, when you open the trunk lid), and also REALLY crappy paint. My neighbor has a M3P and complains how delicate the paint is.

 

[JamieGeek]

The decision process is pretty simple:

Buy what you want to buy. There done.

 

[EELinneman]

I have given a lot of thought and test drives to try and determine if its a MME, MY or something else. And like everything else it comes down to compromise. But to try and boil it down a little more, it occurs to me that while Tesla has superior tech, its all stashed in the big screen - not as user friendly as current ICE cars or the MME and others.

So without being too long winded, one has to decide what is more important. From what I have garnered on this and other forums is the MME and others are easier transitions into BEVs as they have various levels of controls, features of ICE cars. While Tesla has pushed that envelop further along; I wonder how long it would take to get used to the 'new' way of accessing functions.

Owning the MME, what do you guys think?

TN

I would recommend looking at any company other than Ford. We bought a Q5 from Audi and the experience was 180 degrees from the nightmare that dealing with Ford has been. You can adapt to the new way of driving a BEV and be able to do it quicker with a different brand.

 

[Chuck]

I would recommend looking at any company other than Ford. We bought a Q5 from Audi and the experience was 180 degrees from the nightmare that dealing with Ford has been. You can adapt to the new way of driving a BEV and be able to do it quicker with a different brand.

Everybody has their own story to tell but it doesn't necessarily translate to be the universal experience. I have driven over a million miles and over half of them have been in Mustangs. I have not had a bad experience with Ford and highly recommend them. But this recommendation is based on my personal experience and it may not be universal.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

I think Hertz went Tesla purely for the supercharging network. Enough horror videos with charging for everyone else where that's still Tesla's most powerful advantage IMO vs. any other EV.

doesn't matter though if the renter doesn't know how to charge, or how to plan a trip to deal with charging... in an ICE vehicle that's not an issue for most renters because there's gas stations everywhere.

This may work out through self-selection - "I know enough about EVs that I can rent one successfully" - but we don't know.

 

[Chuck]

I think Hertz went Tesla purely for the supercharging network. Enough horror videos with charging for everyone else where that's still Tesla's most powerful advantage IMO vs. any other EV.

The MY has
+ (range/charging network/0-60 straight line/tech/much faster OTA updates)
/- (empty 'minimalistic' car, no driver front screen, need to tap screen to open the frigging glove box, no 360 view camera, ugly (that's my opinion), worst driveability/handling, charges you more $$ for anything not white, common as a Prius in CA, probably more vandalism since people love hating on Tesla)

vs. a MME depending on person (I probably have tons more +/- and am biased...why I'm here).

If you don't need it (I've never used an outside charger in 2+ years in a Bolt), the supercharging network is worth $0 to me.

Musk tweeted yesterday that the deal hasn't been signed. Sounds like a typical Tesla leak to thwart the "sell short" folks and pump up the stock. Could be entirely possible that the deal doesn't consumate.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Everybody has their own story to tell but it doesn't necessarily translate to be the universal experience. I have driven over a million miles and over half of them have been in Mustangs. I have not had a bad experience with Ford and highly recommend them. But this recommendation is based on my personal experience and it may not be universal.

Honestly, the reservation and ordering process has been moderately bad. The prioritization process has been horribly abysmal. The customer service has been non-existent. So I agree with Eric, unless you can find an MME of your desired spec on a showroom floor with no ADM, going with Ford is going to be a headache.

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