The EV Naysayers

[ARK]

OMG I'm posting in a locked thread I must be admin

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[Space_Pony]

Maybe you have a key. Happy New Year

 

[Maquis]

Maybe you have a key. Happy New Year

He uses PAAK….no need for a key.

 

[Gimme_my_MME]

He uses PAAK….no need for a key.

 

[Jimrpa]

Exactly why we bought the 2023 Model Y AWD long range. At 75 we wanted a easy time traveling. The chargers in PA OH and Wv didnt work, wouldnt hook up, not maintained and were slow when they did run. The superchargers worked, well maintained and fast. Y charged in 15 minutes got 140 to 150 miles. Once we get the adapter we'll use the GTPE more for weekend getaways.

Have you tried the chargers at Wawas? They seem pretty good (at least frequently used, which implies they work and are maintained).

 

[RandyMache]

Well I’m not a bot. It’s just a fact that due the limitations of current battery tech, EVs are not suitable or desirable for the vast majority of Americans.

They’re too expensive, they take too long to charge, and their range isn’t long enough. You can rail all you want about how people just need to “adjust their thinking” about things like range and charging speed… but they’re not gonna do that. Nor should they.

Let’s see (checks notes)… they’re also pretty terrible for the environment. The raping and pillaging just isn’t happening in your backyard.

And that’s before we even get to the massively inadequate supply of DCFC, which two years after earmarking 7.5 billion dollars to the task… still blows.

None of this is misinformation.

I would say a lot of what you said is mis-information. Let's start with your comment on "the vast majority of Americans". What data do you have that says the "Vast Majority"? You either made that up or you read an article of someone else's opinion. Quite the contrary, the "vast majority" can likely plug their car in overnight in their garage or a nearby charger. The "Vast majority" don't drive more than a 100 miles a day so they don't even need DCFC.

3 days ago, I just completed a 3,200 mile round trip from San Diego to Whitefish Montana, where it was 10 degrees at night. I didn't have one problem the entire trip. I own a small business, my business friend that owns his own small business, drives a lexus EV. I have 2 other close friends who drive Tesla's. Sure we plan more if we take trips. If not on a trip, I treat my MME like any other ICE vehicle.

Too expensive? Yes they are too expensive. So are all the other cars I like. You can't buy a pickup with a few upgrades for less then $60,000 (or more). Everything is too expensive, not just EV's.

The raping and pillaging, I assume your taking about mining lithium in China. Well, the most lithium comes from Chile, Argentina and Bolivia. Only 13% come from China. Lithium industry in China: An overview. - Mining - China (mondaq.com)

"The use of child labor in cobalt mines in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where nearly 60% of the world's cobalt is currently produced, is certainly a major issue that deserves the attention of consumers, corporations, and governments. However, some media outlets and social media users have distorted the issue into a rallying cry against the use of electric cars and clean energy."

Lastly, yes congress passed a bill to have the government build DCFC to which only a dozen or so have been built so far. There a lot more investments into EV chargers coming.... Big Automakers Plan Thousands of EV Chargers in $1 Billion U.S. Push - WSJ

The bottom line is this, EV are here and are here to stay. Battery technologies will improve greatly in the coming years. Prices will come down some. But inflation and false stories don't help. Go with an EV or stay with an ICE vehicle. Today the choice is yours. In the comings year's, your choices will dwindle between gas power and electric power. As much as I don't like it being forced down our throats, I have come to embrace these vehicles. Let's learn how to mine safer and more efficiently, not get rid of EV's. Just my opinion.

 

[J5hort]

Well I’m not a bot. It’s just a fact that due the limitations of current battery tech, EVs are not suitable or desirable for the vast majority of Americans.

They’re too expensive, they take too long to charge, and their range isn’t long enough. You can rail all you want about how people just need to “adjust their thinking” about things like range and charging speed… but they’re not gonna do that. Nor should they.

Let’s see (checks notes)… they’re also pretty terrible for the environment. The raping and pillaging just isn’t happening in your backyard.

And that’s before we even get to the massively inadequate supply of DCFC, which two years after earmarking

Do the vast amount of Americans not own homes and commute over 100mi to work each day?

Reality and personal experience tell me it is a change of routine and mindset. Some other experiences tell me some politics many also contribute.

Ill agree that range/charging issues for non-home owners is a barrier. PHEVs will likely fill in the gap between early adopter and mass adoption of BEVs.

 

[RandyMache]

Wait. If the vast majority (can) charge at home and don't need DCFC, then why is the Government funding with billions of taxpayer dollars to build out the charging network when it is not needed. Ans why does everyone consider Tesla's network the gold standard if the vast majority doesn't need to fast charge.

Quite perplexing...

Who said we don't need fast charging...? I said, the vast majority don't drive more than a 100 miles in a day. But lots of other people drive a lot. Even those who charge at home, will vacation, or otherwise occasionally need to fast charge on the road.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the governments should be funding anything to do with EV's or charging. I'm just saying to main stream EV's, your going to need lots of public charging.

 

[Maquis]

There have sure been a lot of posts since this thread was locked!

 

[nvabill]

There have sure been a lot of posts since this thread was locked!

Yeah, I don’t think @Administrator quite knows how to lock a thread! ?

 

[ctenidae]

Why get upset about being "forced" to drive a better car that doesn't try to choke you to death? Especially when none of the current objections (infra, range, cobalt distilled from the tears of small children) will be real issues by the time you don't have a choice anymore?

/1st world problems.

 

[Mach1E]

Why get upset about being "forced" to drive a better car that doesn't try to choke you to death? Especially when none of the current objections (infra, range, cobalt distilled from the tears of small children) will be real issues by the time you don't have a choice anymore?

/1st world problems.

Broccoli is good for you too.

Most people don’t like being forced to eat it though.

Adults tend to like to make their own decisions, especially when it comes to their money.

Remember when they tried to make large sodas illegal? ?

 

[Mirak]

Why get upset about being "forced" to drive a better car that doesn't try to choke you to death? Especially when none of the current objections (infra, range, cobalt distilled from the tears of small children) will be real issues by the time you don't have a choice anymore?

/1st world problems.

Why try to force insufficient battery tech, or be upset that most Americans don’t want it, when none of the current objections will be issues with the next jump in battery tech?

 

[Mirak]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/30/us/cargo-ship-fire-batteries-alaska.html

Another one. The tech needs to be better.

 

[mkhuffman]

I think this was written by ProgressiveGPT, add horrific grammar and spelling. This neither warrants serious engagement, nor a re-closing of what has been a good thread so far.

But it is sheds some light on why some people support the theft other people's money.

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