This is my point. Ten years from now all the trade offs we are debating become moot. It just seems like some people want to force the issue now, and I don’t understand why. If you love your EV with its current constraints, great! It’s ok that most Americans aren’t interested yet. That isn’t because of bots or brainwashing.
Correct and we agree in part. Where we maybe disagree, is that the amount of people trying to "force" other people into getting an EV is not that large. I'm not referring to mandates on automakers by certain state governments. I'm thinking more along the lines of roving bands of people walking around yelling at others to get an EV. I'm envisioning scenes from The Walking Dead ? .
I think finding the root cause as to why people don’t care to drive EVs is the kicker.
Who are these people that want to force the issue now, in terms of pushing everyone to adopt EVs NOW and not in 10 years? While it's a bit variable, even the sales restriction timelines discussed are 2030 in some, 2035 in most newer versions I have seen, so 11 years down the road. And that is just cutoff for new ICE sales (assuming it doesn't change which it can and likely will), I haven't looked into every version but haven't heard of used vehicle sales being stopped, and existing ICE vehicles can continue on the roads. With a life of 10 years or so on most new vehicles sold, that pushes things to 2040-2045 before something like a "real" restriction would take hold as even the used market gets tighter.
Exactly, and when someone uses the proposed ICE cutoff mandates I immediately take them at least a little less seriously because any semi-aware adult has to have seen that with almost any mandate there are exemptions. I can make pretty strong predictions on what they will be for the 2035 cutoffs too, and they will be similar to current EPA regulations on fuel economy. You can about guarantee that 3/4 ton and up pickups will keep being sold, as will the rolling chassis based on them used for stuff like RVs and specialized vehicles. Probably a lot of commercial exemptions in general depending where the tech stands at that point.
I’m not going to call anyone out by name, but there is plenty of “take your medicine” sentiment peppered throughout this thread, and on the first page alone. People who blame Americans’ slow adoption of EVs on “misinformation” rather than real shortcomings of the current technology. This is the “ramming” I speak of - claiming most Americans are “misinformed” because they’re not interested in EVs yet. I find condescension and tribalism annoying.
Ah gotcha, yeah that's fair. We would already be a two BEV household if it wasn't for the shortcomings you are referring to, and I would say we are pretty big proponents of BEVs in general. When it came time to get my '23 F-150, it would have been a Lightning of not for the price hikes, Ford's weird content choices (like requiring a Platinum to get B&O Unleashed and power running boards), and the still pretty tame charging curve for such a large battery vehicle.
The way it "works" here, is all those buses ride around empty, or with 1-2 passengers.
That's because there was such a strong message during formative Boomer/GenX culture that implied that if you were riding in a bus it meant you were poor.
That, or the buses don't go where they are actually needed. Or they take too long. According to google maps. there is no way to use the bus to get to my last 3 jobs. One job that I could use the bus, would take 24 min by car and 90 min by bus. Adding over 2 hours to daily commute doesn't sound like something I would learn to love.
I love my car.
Did you try explaining to them that it is actually better to stop twice for 30-40 minutes each way, stretch your legs, and get a few meals? You could have taught them how to use plugshare to research working chargers in advance. People are never gonna adopt if we don’t correct the misinformation and change their way of thinking!!!
Heck no, because I didn’t want to wake up an hour earlier either
