VW Solid State Battery

[Mach1E]

Yup, I know. I understand your point.

But a pure serial hybrid is not a range extender, it is 100% on-board electrical generation powering the EV drivetrain. No plug-in battery, no EVSE blah, blah, blah. No windmils, no solar panels, no sun-powerd sodium steam generators. Just fill it with gasoline, or diesel, or biofuel, push the start button and drive.

Ah. Another volt.

Yes, it’s basically a more efficient hybrid.

But I would say the plug in is definitely a step up. Having an on board charger and ability to run pure electric mode seems better.

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[Mach1E]

It's a step beyond the Volt. No planetary transmission that connects the engine to the drive wheels. Pure serial electric. The engine makes all the electricity. The electricity powers the EV drivetrain.

I don’t think the volt had a transmission connecting the gas engine to the drive wheels. Pretty sure that’s the same with the other range extender BEVs as well (like the BMW i3).

But if it can’t plug in, you’re always relying on gasoline.

 

[Teslaeata]

I’m happy that my QS shares are going up!

The most attractive part to me is the 5 minute charge time.

Volkswagen Solid State Batteries Exceed All Targets

https://carbuzz.com/news/volkswagen-solid-state-batteries-exceed-all-targets

It all sounds very nice and the day we get solid state batteries with such quick charge times, more importantly out on the road, will by fantastic.

Not sure the VW figures amount to quite what they apparently to me [mis] represent on what I see with 75,000 miles of real-world data at my fingertips.

It’s interesting to see VW’s wonder-battery long-range forecasts on longevity and even performance figures, apart from the quick charge time which is really useful based upon their “hypothetical” vehicle with WLTP figures, is projected to last any longer or outperform no higher or perform Stangy’s battery judging from its real-world stats over 75,000 miles say it performs and that’s before VW’s WLTP figures need downgrading to allow for real-world conditions so meaning the VW advertised wonder-tech would struggle to meet Stangy’s longevity projections and number of charges in around 300,000 miles.

I think they need to increase their range to around that of Toyota’s to become anything like the wonder-tech they represent.

Further, I struggle to see the benefit of producing a c300 miles range battery when they can produce a 600 miles range battery with same tech and a 5 minute difference in charge time (?!?!) which is neither here nor there because out on the road, unless you’re on a run higher than c500 miles (initial full charge from home plus a c80% charge on the road), the saving in charge time is no real benefit as it takes longer than 10 minutes to get a coffee and a pee at a stop!

I can’t wait for the first 600-mile battery with 10 mins charge time to come onto the market, though I really don’t know what charge points could deliver that charge rate and would need to see this is even possible, but if it’s reality and not puff stuff & nonsense of manufacturer’s advertisements, this could be THE ONLY thing that would tempt me away from my, or a second MME if Ford don’t get there first.

How a 600-mile range can be achieved at home on a 22kW charge point in 10mins remains to be seen!!

VW’s WLTP 300-375 range, which needs downgrading to real-world range, and even a 5minute charge time would not tempt me away, the looks of the Stang alone compared with VW’s could not tempt me away on VW’s representations.

 

[AliRafiee]

It all sounds very nice and the day we get solid state batteries with such quick charge times, more importantly out on the road, will by fantastic.

Not sure the VW figures amount to quite what they apparently to me [mis] represent on what I see with 75,000 miles of real-world data at my fingertips.

It’s interesting to see VW’s wonder-battery long-range forecasts on longevity and even performance figures, apart from the quick charge time which is really useful based upon their “hypothetical” vehicle with WLTP figures, is projected to last any longer or outperform no higher or perform Stangy’s battery judging from its real-world stats over 75,000 miles say it performs and that’s before VW’s WLTP figures need downgrading to allow for real-world conditions so meaning the VW advertised wonder-tech would struggle to meet Stangy’s longevity projections and number of charges in around 300,000 miles.

I think they need to increase their range to around that of Toyota’s to become anything like the wonder-tech they represent.

Further, I struggle to see the benefit of producing a c300 miles range battery when they can produce a 600 miles range battery with same tech and a 5 minute difference in charge time (?!?!) which is neither here nor there because out on the road, unless you’re on a run higher than c500 miles (initial full charge from home plus a c80% charge on the road), the saving in charge time is no real benefit as it takes longer than 10 minutes to get a coffee and a pee at a stop!

I can’t wait for the first 600-mile battery with 10 mins charge time to come onto the market, though I really don’t know what charge points could deliver that charge rate and would need to see this is even possible, but if it’s reality and not puff stuff & nonsense of manufacturer’s advertisements, this could be THE ONLY thing that would tempt me away from my, or a second MME if Ford don’t get there first.

How a 600-mile range can be achieved at home on a 22kW charge point in 10mins remains to be seen!!

VW’s WLTP 300-375 range, which needs downgrading to real-world range, and even a 5minute charge time would not tempt me away, the looks of the Stang alone compared with VW’s could not tempt me away on VW’s representations.

For the charge time, think about the fact that the more EVs on the road, the longer it will take to wait for an available charger, your 10 minute coffee will become 1 hour of standing in line to plug in. It’s obviously not sustainable to have hundreds of chargers at each station. That problem should solve itself.

 

[Teslaeata]

For the charge time, think about the fact that the more EVs on the road, the longer it will take to wait for an available charger, your 10 minute coffee will become 1 hour of standing in line to plug in. It’s obviously not sustainable to have hundreds of chargers at each station. That problem should solve itself.

UK great infrastructure will probably mean we never get to that over here, US have to do a lot to improve your infrastructure by the sound of it to reach that point.

600 mile range will also mean far fewer cars need charging on the road at all, I reckon no more than 20 of my day trips in 75,000 miles is over 600 miles.

Stick a 600 mile battery in MME and I’d have another new one tomorrow.

 

[mkhuffman]

UK great infrastructure will probably mean we never get to that over here, US have to do a lot to improve your infrastructure by the sound of it to reach that point.

600 mile range will also mean far fewer cars need charging on the road at all, I reckon no more than 20 of my day trips in 75,000 miles is over 600 miles.

Stick a 600 mile battery in MME and I’d have another new one tomorrow.

Yep. Long range cars are key part of the solution, and I would also get another one tomorrow if it could go 600 miles.

 

[dbsb3233]

I’m happy that my QS shares are going up!

The most attractive part to me is the 5 minute charge time.

Volkswagen Solid State Batteries Exceed All Targets

https://carbuzz.com/news/volkswagen-solid-state-batteries-exceed-all-targets

Even if it got the full 350kW at the fastest chargers, 5 minutes is 29 kWh, or maybe 80 highway miles.

The price for higher power trends to go up exponentially. Other than commercial trucking stations, I wouldn't expect higher that 350 for general public use.

 

[Teslaeata]

Even if it got the full 350kW at the fastest chargers, 5 minutes is 29 kWh, or maybe 80 highway miles.

The price for higher power trends to go up exponentially. Other than commercial trucking stations, I wouldn't expect higher that 350 for general public use.

Yes, so on that basis, 600 miles would take nearly 40mins IF charging rate is consistently delivered by charge point at 350kWh over full charge time which it never is and IF charge rate taken by car remains the same at 350kWh.

And the home charger capable of delivering 22kWh max…….

600 miles range sounds really great, and it will be, truly, and possible, and usable though their 600 miles will I’m sure turn out to be 475 miles real-world and it will be the power available at the charge point which will be the limiting factor for the 10 minute charge.

Don't want to put dampener on all our hopes but there needs to be a reality check!

I’d still swap for take 475 mile range, though, but not certain brands!

 

[dbsb3233]

Yes, so on that basis, 600 miles would take nearly 40mins IF charging rate is consistently delivered by charge point at 350kWh over full charge time which it never is and IF charge rate taken by car remains the same at 350kWh.

And the home charger capable of delivering 22kWh max…….

600 miles range sounds really great, and it will be, truly, and possible, and usable though their 600 miles will I’m sure turn out to be 475 miles real-world and it will be the power available at the charge point which will be the limiting factor for the 10 minute charge.

Don't want to put dampener on all our hopes but there needs to be a reality check!

I’d still swap for take 475 mile range, though, but not certain brands!

These articles that only talk in terms of range and never mention kWh should be taken with a huge grain of salt anyway. Sometimes they confuse miles and km, sometimes they confuse EPA with WLTP (or even worse, NEDC). And they're probably talking about the tiniest vehicle to inflate the number. Sure, in a SmartCar you probably could go 600 miles. But in a Mach-E, or even worse - a Lightning, no way.

What matters is kWh battery capacity. If they don't list that, pretty much ignore it.

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