Way to be cheap, Ford

[strangeengine]

The Harley LiveWire comes with more free EA charging than the Mach-E. ?

https://insideevs.com/news/565521/bmw-ix-i4-electrify-america/

- Mark

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[Carsinmyblood]

The BMW i4 starts at $55K, the iX starts at $83K not including ADM.

Go for it.

 

[ChasingCoral]

The Harley LiveWire comes with more free EA charging than the Mach-E. ?

https://insideevs.com/news/565521/bmw-ix-i4-electrify-america/

- Mark

As a newbie, you weren't around in the early days when Ford actually surveyed the community to see which people would prefer, a price reduction or more free charging. Most folks here on the Forum voted for lower cost. Realistically, your subject line is misleading: the customers were being cheap and Ford obliged.

Ford's compromise was enough free charging to encourage people to try Plug & Charge but a lower final cost.

WIth 95% of all charging being done at home, I think Ford acted wisely.

If you want to read the history, use your search function. It's all here on the Forum.

 

[strangeengine]

As a newbie, you weren't around in the early days when Ford actually surveyed the community to see which people would prefer, a price reduction or more free charging. Most folks here on the Forum voted for lower cost. Realistically, your subject line is misleading: the customers were being cheap and Ford obliged.

Ford's compromise was enough free charging to encourage people to try Plug & Charge but a lower final cost.

WIth 95% of all charging being done at home, I think Ford acted wisely.

If you want to read the history, use your search function. It's all here on the Forum.

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy a patronizing response as much as the next person, but the reality is the LiveWire costs 40% as much as the GTPE I ordered but comes with 2x the free charging.

Ford is being cheap, no matter how they justified it.

- Mark

 

[RickMachE]

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy a patronizing response as much as the next person, but the reality is the LiveWire costs 40% as much as the GTPE I ordered but comes with 2x the free charging.

Ford is being cheap, no matter how they justified it.

- Mark

In per kWh states, with EA Pass+, 250 free kWh are worth $80. In per minute states, with EA Pass+, they're worth less than 1/2 that.

Free charging is basically an insult to people's intelligence. I had a guy tell me that his ID.4 was "the same" as my Mach-E, "and I get 3 years of free charging!" His 0 to 60 is 7.6 seconds, mine is 4.8. Yeah, I want 3 years of free charging...

 

[strangeengine]

Free charging is basically an insult to people's intelligence.

Free charging is a marketing tool to entice ICE owners to try EV.

 

[Mach1E]

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy a patronizing response as much as the next person, but the reality is the LiveWire costs 40% as much as the GTPE I ordered but comes with 2x the free charging.

Ford is being cheap, no matter how they justified it.

- Mark

As they said, the 2x “free charging” is worth $80.

Who cares? It’s not free either, it’s just baked into the price.

 

[Ride_the_lightning]

Fine with me. Free EA charging does me no good. Also, did I ever expect free gas?

 

[RickMachE]

Free charging is a marketing tool to entice ICE owners to try EV.

Anyone that would buy a Mach-E, over another vehicle, because of free charging, deserves to drive the other vehicle. People who buy the Mach-E appreciate the performance aspect of it.

We also get 22,000 FordPass points, instead of more charging hours. And they are worth more.

 

[strangeengine]

As they said, the 2x “free charging” is worth $80.

Who cares? It’s not free either, it’s just baked into the price.

You've basically made my point for me. It's so little money that it's a non-factor, yet Ford compares poorly on this point against a motorcycle that costs 40% as much, not to mention against actual competing cars.

Just dumb.

Per the anecdote above with the ID.4 owner, typical car buyers (ie non-EV enthusiasts) pay attention to this stuff.

 

[SnBGC]

The Harley LiveWire comes with more free EA charging than the Mach-E. ?

https://insideevs.com/news/565521/bmw-ix-i4-electrify-america/

- Mark

Value is subjective. Ford has provided more than enough DCFC at no cost then I will ever need. I am much happier that Ford offered a few thousand dollars discount off the purchase of my FE instead of giving me practically valueless charging.

 

[generaltso]

Ford compares poorly on this point against a motorcycle that costs 40% as much,

You think Ford is concerned with how the MME compares to a motorcycle? I don’t.

 

[strangeengine]

Value is subjective. Ford has provided more than enough DCFC at no cost then I will ever need. I am much happier that Ford offered a few thousand dollars discount off the purchase of my FE instead of giving me practically valueless charging.

You really think that Ford gave you a "few thousand" off the purchase of your FE in exchange for as much as a couple of hundred in free charging? Really?

That's not how product planning works. But ok, as long as you're happy with the deal. ?

 

[Ride_the_lightning]

VW has to give away charging with the id.4 because that’s what THOSE buyers value. They don’t care about performance, because that car is over 8 seconds to 60mph. It’s a good car. I had one on order for my wife for a while. But it’s a boring car aimed at a different audience. Same w the motorcycle. Very few people are going to do 1000 mile road trips on an electric motorcycle. They need to generate buzz. More power to them. I’d rather Ford work through the year of back orders they have.

 

[ChuckA]

In per kWh states, with EA Pass+, 250 free kWh are worth $80. In per minute states, with EA Pass+, they're worth less than 1/2 that.

Free charging is basically an insult to people's intelligence. I had a guy tell me that his ID.4 was "the same" as my Mach-E, "and I get 3 years of free charging!" His 0 to 60 is 7.6 seconds, mine is 4.8. Yeah, I want 3 years of free charging...

Our EA per kWh rate is $0.43, so 250 kWh = $107.50. I’m in CT.

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