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Longtime forum lurker, first time poster. I thought people might be interested to hear about the current state of wintertime road-tripping in our beloved electric conveyances, so here goes.

A while back my wife and I made the decision to move from Seattle to Milwaukee in search of fewer crowds, cheaper cost of living, more cheese, etc. After a grueling few weeks of packing boxes and house-cleaning, the day finally arrived at the end of January where I got to set forth on my long-fantasized winter road trip. I tried to convince my wife to come along, even if she just caravanned alongside in her RAV4, but she was having none of it. In my wife's defense, we have two lovely young children and one very useless cat that would have had to cram into that arrangement somehow, so she sensibly declined and will be flying. Instead, my dad graciously flew out to Seattle and served as my copilot.

Thanks to all of the amazing insight from this forum, I knew to plot out my route on ABRP and check ahead on Plugshare to validate and pre-plan all my charging stops. I'd taken the Mach E on a round trip from Seattle to Palm Springs several years ago without incident, but that was when exterior temps were a breezy 95 degrees and efficiency was above the EPA rating. Going through the Great Plains when Bismarck ND might put up a temp of -20 was quite a different proposition. As an intellectual exercise, I also plotted just the first leg of Seattle to Missoula MT on the in-car navigation. The car spit out a route that would have worked, but it also suggested that I do my initial charge at some ancient 50kw charger that had been erected during the Lewis and Clark expedition. I had cautioned my dad that EV road-trips require patience, but I don't think he wanted to be that patient.

As you've probably determined by the very fact of reading this, we made it to MKE safe and sound. I'll give you the highlights of the trip. At our first charging stop in Ellensburg WA, I was pleasantly surprised to find a 180kw charging station at a Circle K that I'd somehow glazed over during my (very extensive) Plug Share investigations. There was an EA and open Tesla supercharger all within walking distance, but I opted for Circle K just to try something new. We made it to Missoula without incident and the pony car happily slurped from the trough of a free hotel charger. Thanks again to the forum and the excellent advice of Mach-Lee (BIG shoutout to Mach-Lee, thank you so much for all your advice!), I'd set a destination time the next morning and the car was primed and ready to go.

I'd looked at the route many times leading up to departure and I knew that several stretches in Montana would present the biggest possible challenges, notably Bozeman to Billings and Billings to Miles City. I'm mildly embarrassed to admit that I'd failed to appreciate that our second morning's first stretch would be our most stress-inducing, due to its climb of 2000 feet over 120 miles as we rose up to Butte. Mother Nature was also not on our side here, as we saw exterior temps drop as low as -4. Despite all this, the car did admirably and maintained 2.1 mpk. We arrived in Butte with 30 miles on the GOM at 31% SOC. I would have washed the windows with the handily-provided washer at the EA station, but it was frozen solid! You all may wonder why I would consider this "stress-inducing". The reason is that if the car hadn't performed and we'd been left stranded on the side of the road, I would never stop hearing "I told you so" from my lovely wife.

The rest of Montana was long, lovely, and uneventful. In Bozeman we took advantage of a Rivian Charger over the nearby EA because the Rivian was close to better food options. This is the type of detail that would be utterly mundane on an ICE trip, but it was a true delight for those of us who need to wait a bit to refuel. My dad and I also pulled over one time in the bustling metropolis of Custer MT (maaaaybe a stop sign could be found here, but also maybe not). As we pulled into a gas station to use the bathroom I remarked to my dad "Wouldn't it be wild if this place had a charger?" I turned around and immediately had to eat my words when I saw a level 2 charging setup at the back of the lot. It came complete with a "Powered by Coal" sticker. Well I had to try this now didn't I? I drove the car over a sheen of ice and did the usual fiddling-with-bad-cell-service-to-get-a-charging-app-I'd-never-heard-of dance to plug in and get all of 2kwh while we used the bathroom. I also bought a Montana trucker's hat.

I had purchased a Lectron Tesla adaptor for this trip, but I didn't end up breaking out my shiny new toy until Dickinson ND. The only reason I even did this was that I didn't feel like sitting in the parking lot of a Ford dealership to charge. We charged at Superchargers on two other occasions (one was in Madison WI because I didn't feel like doing the obscure charging app dance again with Shell Recharge, and there was a Supercharger in the same lot). I'm absolutely positive that we could have done this entire trip on CCS charging alone.

The only negatives of note were that my ever-occurring Front Camera Fault became permanent in western Montana, necessitating that I keep my foot on the pedal the rest of the way like a plebe. We also lost one of my precious Route 1 aerocover hubcaps somewhere. I'd gotten the tires replaced just before leaving, and I'm thinking they didn't put the caps on all the way.

The trip totaled 2040 miles with an average mpk of 2.7. Electricity seems to have run us about $300, with two free hotel charges along the way. We definitely lucked out on weather and enjoyed blue skies nearly the entire way. Bismarck ND was also more in the 30's and 40's rather than -20. We got lucky here, and I'll absolutely take it.

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Awesome write up! Sounds like an epic road trip - I still need to do a cross-country road trip on 90/94, I've done it on all the other east-west freeways but not that one. Minneapolis is as far West on 94 as I've gone and Ellensburg is as far East as I've gone on 90.

Curious on the charging apps - Shell Recharge is in Ford's BlueOval Charge Network (along with 12 other networks) - did you try to use FordPass on this trip to pay for charging rather than do the "obscure charging app dance" (love that, going to use that to explain the frustration now) or did it have an issue? Would love to hear more feedback on which networks you used and what payment issues you had.
 
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I signed up for Plug and Charge before the trip. It worked flawlessly at both EA and Tesla, but the Shell Recharge place didn’t seem to know or care. It also required me to activate from the Public Charging app at the two EVGO stations we used, but once I did that it was fine. This in-car activation was yet another thing I only knew about thanks to the forum.
 

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Welcome to Wisconsin! You'll like the non-winter parts of the year much more. We live about 35 miles NW of Milwaukee.
 

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Thanks for the story.

suggested that I do my initial charge at some ancient 50kw charger that had been erected during the Lewis and Clark expedition. I had cautioned my dad that EV road-trips require patience, but I don't think he wanted to be that patient.
I adore some of the ancient 50kW chargers, because Lewis and Clark knew where the best restaurants are. A one-hour lunch stop can get me back up to 80% from 30%. My meal always feels a bit rushed if I'm at a restaurant next to one of them fancy new 250kW chargers; even if I'm at a lame freeway-side restaurant I don't like to be too rushed when eating.
 
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Nice write up! You mentioned it's a route 1 - is it a '21 or '22 model?
 

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Welcome to MKE! I hope you’re enjoying it here so far, although we’re now in the season where you just kind of grin and bear it until summer - which is fantastic here. There’s a reason that most of Chicago summers in WI.

I’ve had my ‘23 GT here in Washington Heights since Oct 23 and it’s been near perfect for me. I have yet to attempt a long road trip like yours, and I’m not sure I ever will since we also have a slightly larger ICE vehicle.

Public charging in WI is not great yet, and a Tesla adapter is a must. I run to Madison regularly, and recently did a day trip in sub-zero temps. Kept it at about 72mph on the freeway with the heat around 70 degrees and just needed to hit the Supercharger at the Kwik Trip in Johnson Creek for about 10 minutes for a peace-of-mind charge. Get to know Kwik Trip, they seem to be dabbling with a Tesla partnership (another co-location in Manitowoc, perfect for the hike to Door County) and their convenience stores are great. (Also, great touchless car washes at many locations.)

Feel free to hit me up for any advice from a local.
 
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Nice write up! You mentioned it's a route 1 - is it a '21 or '22 model?
I dove in head-first with the 21 when they first came out. I forgot to mention it in the write up, but I was delighted to find out at my first stop that the charging curve no longer fell off a cliff after 80%. I’d heard of the 2P22 TSB that could upgrade this, but I’d never bothered going to the dealer, and I’d always assumed this was only something that could be upgraded in person. I was beyond thrilled to find out I was wrong about this and must have received it via OTA at some point. It helped to have those extra few percents above 80 at various stops along the way.
 

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I signed up for Plug and Charge before the trip. It worked flawlessly at both EA and Tesla, but the Shell Recharge place didn’t seem to know or care. It also required me to activate from the Public Charging app at the two EVGO stations we used, but once I did that it was fine. This in-car activation was yet another thing I only knew about thanks to the forum.
I have used a Shell Recharge in Janesville, WI, and it worked ok once I downloaded the Shell app. PNC was squirrely there though.
 

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Welcome to Wisconsin! You'll like the non-winter parts of the year much more. We live about 35 miles NW of Milwaukee.
Your nom de guerre made me chuckle. I'm old enough to remember the Frito bandito jingle and pencil erasers.

We're also about 35 miles nw of downtown Milwaukee.
 

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Longtime forum lurker, first time poster. I thought people might be interested to hear about the current state of wintertime road-tripping in our beloved electric conveyances, so here goes.

A while back my wife and I made the decision to move from Seattle to Milwaukee in search of fewer crowds, cheaper cost of living, more cheese, etc. After a grueling few weeks of packing boxes and house-cleaning, the day finally arrived at the end of January where I got to set forth on my long-fantasized winter road trip. I tried to convince my wife to come along, even if she just caravanned alongside in her RAV4, but she was having none of it. In my wife's defense, we have two lovely young children and one very useless cat that would have had to cram into that arrangement somehow, so she sensibly declined and will be flying. Instead, my dad graciously flew out to Seattle and served as my copilot.

Thanks to all of the amazing insight from this forum, I knew to plot out my route on ABRP and check ahead on Plugshare to validate and pre-plan all my charging stops. I'd taken the Mach E on a round trip from Seattle to Palm Springs several years ago without incident, but that was when exterior temps were a breezy 95 degrees and efficiency was above the EPA rating. Going through the Great Plains when Bismarck ND might put up a temp of -20 was quite a different proposition. As an intellectual exercise, I also plotted just the first leg of Seattle to Missoula MT on the in-car navigation. The car spit out a route that would have worked, but it also suggested that I do my initial charge at some ancient 50kw charger that had been erected during the Lewis and Clark expedition. I had cautioned my dad that EV road-trips require patience, but I don't think he wanted to be that patient.

As you've probably determined by the very fact of reading this, we made it to MKE safe and sound. I'll give you the highlights of the trip. At our first charging stop in Ellensburg WA, I was pleasantly surprised to find a 180kw charging station at a Circle K that I'd somehow glazed over during my (very extensive) Plug Share investigations. There was an EA and open Tesla supercharger all within walking distance, but I opted for Circle K just to try something new. We made it to Missoula without incident and the pony car happily slurped from the trough of a free hotel charger. Thanks again to the forum and the excellent advice of Mach-Lee (BIG shoutout to Mach-Lee, thank you so much for all your advice!), I'd set a destination time the next morning and the car was primed and ready to go.

I'd looked at the route many times leading up to departure and I knew that several stretches in Montana would present the biggest possible challenges, notably Bozeman to Billings and Billings to Miles City. I'm mildly embarrassed to admit that I'd failed to appreciate that our second morning's first stretch would be our most stress-inducing, due to its climb of 2000 feet over 120 miles as we rose up to Butte. Mother Nature was also not on our side here, as we saw exterior temps drop as low as -4. Despite all this, the car did admirably and maintained 2.1 mpk. We arrived in Butte with 30 miles on the GOM at 31% SOC. I would have washed the windows with the handily-provided washer at the EA station, but it was frozen solid! You all may wonder why I would consider this "stress-inducing". The reason is that if the car hadn't performed and we'd been left stranded on the side of the road, I would never stop hearing "I told you so" from my lovely wife.

The rest of Montana was long, lovely, and uneventful. In Bozeman we took advantage of a Rivian Charger over the nearby EA because the Rivian was close to better food options. This is the type of detail that would be utterly mundane on an ICE trip, but it was a true delight for those of us who need to wait a bit to refuel. My dad and I also pulled over one time in the bustling metropolis of Custer MT (maaaaybe a stop sign could be found here, but also maybe not). As we pulled into a gas station to use the bathroom I remarked to my dad "Wouldn't it be wild if this place had a charger?" I turned around and immediately had to eat my words when I saw a level 2 charging setup at the back of the lot. It came complete with a "Powered by Coal" sticker. Well I had to try this now didn't I? I drove the car over a sheen of ice and did the usual fiddling-with-bad-cell-service-to-get-a-charging-app-I'd-never-heard-of dance to plug in and get all of 2kwh while we used the bathroom. I also bought a Montana trucker's hat.

I had purchased a Lectron Tesla adaptor for this trip, but I didn't end up breaking out my shiny new toy until Dickinson ND. The only reason I even did this was that I didn't feel like sitting in the parking lot of a Ford dealership to charge. We charged at Superchargers on two other occasions (one was in Madison WI because I didn't feel like doing the obscure charging app dance again with Shell Recharge, and there was a Supercharger in the same lot). I'm absolutely positive that we could have done this entire trip on CCS charging alone.

The only negatives of note were that my ever-occurring Front Camera Fault became permanent in western Montana, necessitating that I keep my foot on the pedal the rest of the way like a plebe. We also lost one of my precious Route 1 aerocover hubcaps somewhere. I'd gotten the tires replaced just before leaving, and I'm thinking they didn't put the caps on all the way.

The trip totaled 2040 miles with an average mpk of 2.7. Electricity seems to have run us about $300, with two free hotel charges along the way. We definitely lucked out on weather and enjoyed blue skies nearly the entire way. Bismarck ND was also more in the 30's and 40's rather than -20. We got lucky here, and I'll absolutely take it.

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Thanks for the write-up, I enjoyed it very much. I just want to make an observation that you averaged the equivalent of roughly 20 mpg in an ICE vehicle (based on local gas prices) even after two free charges. This supports what I have said before, we are being taken advantage of by these commercial chargers.
 

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What a great summary! You write well.

Welcome to Milwaukee (or Meowaukee as per your profile). I reside in Whitefish Bay, a stones throw north of the 'great city on a great lake.' I hope your experience is going well, and that you are finding our fair city meets your expectations.

I've had my 2021 for a bit over 3 years now. A guy two blocks over has almost the identical vehicle (right down to the color).

I'm a local historian of sorts. Wrote a book entitled "The Magnificent Machines of Milwaukee." If you are a bit of a gear head and want to get an introduction to the area's industrial heritage, that might be a good starting point! Almost all of the city libraries have it.
 
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Thanks for the write-up, I enjoyed it very much. I just want to make an observation that you averaged the equivalent of roughly 20 mpg in an ICE vehicle (based on local gas prices) even after two free charges. This supports what I have said before, we are being taken advantage of by these commercial chargers.
Yeah, my dad and I did the math and came to a similar conclusion. It gets even a bit worse, because I don't appear to have yet been charged for my use of the Rivian charger in Bozeman, and that will add to the total if that ever happens. I know I paid as much as 58 cents/kwh at an EVGO. Conversely, my charge at an EA in Butte was only 20 cents/kwh. Hopefully this situation will get better as more stations come online and competition can set it.
 

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Longtime forum lurker, first time poster. I thought people might be interested to hear about the current state of wintertime road-tripping in our beloved electric conveyances, so here goes.

A while back my wife and I made the decision to move from Seattle to Milwaukee in search of fewer crowds, cheaper cost of living, more cheese, etc. After a grueling few weeks of packing boxes and house-cleaning, the day finally arrived at the end of January where I got to set forth on my long-fantasized winter road trip. I tried to convince my wife to come along, even if she just caravanned alongside in her RAV4, but she was having none of it. In my wife's defense, we have two lovely young children and one very useless cat that would have had to cram into that arrangement somehow, so she sensibly declined and will be flying. Instead, my dad graciously flew out to Seattle and served as my copilot.

Thanks to all of the amazing insight from this forum, I knew to plot out my route on ABRP and check ahead on Plugshare to validate and pre-plan all my charging stops. I'd taken the Mach E on a round trip from Seattle to Palm Springs several years ago without incident, but that was when exterior temps were a breezy 95 degrees and efficiency was above the EPA rating. Going through the Great Plains when Bismarck ND might put up a temp of -20 was quite a different proposition. As an intellectual exercise, I also plotted just the first leg of Seattle to Missoula MT on the in-car navigation. The car spit out a route that would have worked, but it also suggested that I do my initial charge at some ancient 50kw charger that had been erected during the Lewis and Clark expedition. I had cautioned my dad that EV road-trips require patience, but I don't think he wanted to be that patient.

As you've probably determined by the very fact of reading this, we made it to MKE safe and sound. I'll give you the highlights of the trip. At our first charging stop in Ellensburg WA, I was pleasantly surprised to find a 180kw charging station at a Circle K that I'd somehow glazed over during my (very extensive) Plug Share investigations. There was an EA and open Tesla supercharger all within walking distance, but I opted for Circle K just to try something new. We made it to Missoula without incident and the pony car happily slurped from the trough of a free hotel charger. Thanks again to the forum and the excellent advice of Mach-Lee (BIG shoutout to Mach-Lee, thank you so much for all your advice!), I'd set a destination time the next morning and the car was primed and ready to go.

I'd looked at the route many times leading up to departure and I knew that several stretches in Montana would present the biggest possible challenges, notably Bozeman to Billings and Billings to Miles City. I'm mildly embarrassed to admit that I'd failed to appreciate that our second morning's first stretch would be our most stress-inducing, due to its climb of 2000 feet over 120 miles as we rose up to Butte. Mother Nature was also not on our side here, as we saw exterior temps drop as low as -4. Despite all this, the car did admirably and maintained 2.1 mpk. We arrived in Butte with 30 miles on the GOM at 31% SOC. I would have washed the windows with the handily-provided washer at the EA station, but it was frozen solid! You all may wonder why I would consider this "stress-inducing". The reason is that if the car hadn't performed and we'd been left stranded on the side of the road, I would never stop hearing "I told you so" from my lovely wife.

The rest of Montana was long, lovely, and uneventful. In Bozeman we took advantage of a Rivian Charger over the nearby EA because the Rivian was close to better food options. This is the type of detail that would be utterly mundane on an ICE trip, but it was a true delight for those of us who need to wait a bit to refuel. My dad and I also pulled over one time in the bustling metropolis of Custer MT (maaaaybe a stop sign could be found here, but also maybe not). As we pulled into a gas station to use the bathroom I remarked to my dad "Wouldn't it be wild if this place had a charger?" I turned around and immediately had to eat my words when I saw a level 2 charging setup at the back of the lot. It came complete with a "Powered by Coal" sticker. Well I had to try this now didn't I? I drove the car over a sheen of ice and did the usual fiddling-with-bad-cell-service-to-get-a-charging-app-I'd-never-heard-of dance to plug in and get all of 2kwh while we used the bathroom. I also bought a Montana trucker's hat.

I had purchased a Lectron Tesla adaptor for this trip, but I didn't end up breaking out my shiny new toy until Dickinson ND. The only reason I even did this was that I didn't feel like sitting in the parking lot of a Ford dealership to charge. We charged at Superchargers on two other occasions (one was in Madison WI because I didn't feel like doing the obscure charging app dance again with Shell Recharge, and there was a Supercharger in the same lot). I'm absolutely positive that we could have done this entire trip on CCS charging alone.

The only negatives of note were that my ever-occurring Front Camera Fault became permanent in western Montana, necessitating that I keep my foot on the pedal the rest of the way like a plebe. We also lost one of my precious Route 1 aerocover hubcaps somewhere. I'd gotten the tires replaced just before leaving, and I'm thinking they didn't put the caps on all the way.

The trip totaled 2040 miles with an average mpk of 2.7. Electricity seems to have run us about $300, with two free hotel charges along the way. We definitely lucked out on weather and enjoyed blue skies nearly the entire way. Bismarck ND was also more in the 30's and 40's rather than -20. We got lucky here, and I'll absolutely take it.

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Great road trip. It’s so nice to see that even the northern routes have sufficient infrastructure now.
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