Tesla 2025 Y dual motor test drive

[T1328]

@bibkisbu - ok. I’m not going to continue arguing about this. If you’re such a Tesla fan boy, get one. I had one, I didn’t like aspects of it, and got the Mach-E instead and am happy with my decision. After you come 1 second away from an accident due to FSD, you don’t say, oh well, I’ll wait for v14. I’m sure it will fix it. Maybe you do. I don’t. And there are many other reasons why I prefer the Mach-E. Let’s please stop this. We’re way off topic. This is just one of many components of enjoying a car.

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[bibkisbu]

@bibkisbu - ok. I’m not going to continue arguing about this. If you’re such a Tesla fan boy, get one. I had one, I didn’t like aspects of it, and got the Mach-E instead and am happy with my decision. After you come 1 second away from an accident due to FSD, you don’t say, oh well, I’ll wait for v14. I’m sure it will fix it. Maybe you do. I don’t. And there are many other reasons why I prefer the Mach-E. Let’s please stop this. We’re way off topic. This is just one of many components of enjoying a car.

are these fanboy comments?

you say 1 second from an accident. The cars around you have brakes.

Tesla has the world's best auto emergency braking which only kicks in last minute, preventing accidents.

Combine these two things and near-death is an exaggeration if you are not driving at highway speeds.

The point is, with FSD, you can use it wherever you want. You can also supervise it. That doesn't mean you just blindly use it and don't pay attention.

 

[jay1122]

you test drove a 2023. Refresh is better and cheaper even without tax incentive

Tesla was the cheapest when comparatively loaded between the usual suspects. Ioniq 5, EV6, Mach E, Equinox EV, etc.

But I believe now the ioniq 5 is pretty good

Yeah, i was testing lightly used EVs to buy. The initial depreciation on EV is very hard. The 24 EV9 had $75K MSRP 9K miles for sale at $45.5K. Tesla holds value a little better. 23 MPY at $35K. When shopping off lease used model among these EV models, their price is not that far apart. Brand new model price really depends, traditional manufacturer offers big rebates. Tesla is flat price. I won't buy them new again after the burn from my MME.

 

[fkyct]

Let me chime in as a Ford EV owner (Lightning) and a 2 Tesla owner (2 2026 Juniper Model Y’s.

7 months ago I went to local Ford dealer intending to trade my 3 year old 2023 Model Y on a new Mach-E. I wanted to ditch Tesla due to the CEO antics.

im a big guy and getting into and out of the Mach-E wasn’t as easy as my !
Model Y. I was not impressed with the performance so I ended up selling my 23 Lightning Lariat to the Ford dealer and leasing a 2024 Lightning Platinum.

So I have experience with Hardware 3 and Hardware 4 Model Y’s, W/FSD and experience with current version Blue Cruise In my Lightning.

V14 FSD blows Blue Cruise away. I can use FSD anywhere. On my Ford I have 3 years of BC but I can only use it on less than 5% of the time due to roads aren’t enabled.

I like the looks of a Mach-e better than Model Y but the tech in the Y is far better then Ford tech.

Some Model Y advantages
Apple Watch as a Key
Tesla abundant APP features
Dog mode
Ability to adjust charge rate on APP
sentry mode cameras
credit card key instead of bulky key fob
great efficiency

 

[fkyct]

Let me reply to depreciation comments.

We traded in our 2 three year 2023 old Model Y’s for 2 new 2026 Model Y’s for a difference of $12,000 for a RWD and $14,000 for a AWD. This was the month before the tax credit expired. We took tax credits on both at point of sale.

 

[buzznwood]

Tesla has the world's best auto emergency braking which only kicks in last minute, preventing accidents.

lol just no, if it was amazing and the worlds best it wouldn't be tricked by a wile e coyote wall or have a habit of taking out the child dummies in auto brake tests

Everyone likes different things so it is perfectly fine to like the model Y over a mach-e and praise it where it is better but lets not get carried away with a swimming pools worth of cool aid hyperbole

 

[Bad Dolphin]

Current - Select AWD std battery
Tested - Mach-e GT non-performance
prices in Cdn $

This test drive: Tesla

Acceleration from rest. Better than select/premium AWD. Similar to GT, but comes in with more pedal, vs GT is quick to kick in. (better for parking?)
Acceleration over 40 mph Better than GT .

Self driving vs Bluecruise. Simply no comparison. Tesla you have to speak NAVIGATE, select a destination and save it - then pick auto drive mode.
- right from the parking slot you are in at start, stop signs, lights, T intersection merging onto road, traffic queue, pick a parking spot at destination and it will back into it. Like next level amazing. No nags re eyes or hands. You don't have to buy the $11k option, you can opt $99/month. When you think of it - cheaper than bluecruise with far more fuctionality. It would take 10 years to 'pay off' at $99/month, and you only pay for the months you want it enabled. I think its way too much $$, like Bluecruise, but its not a cheap knockoff like bluecruise.

Ride way quieter than MME. Comfort closer to The GT than select.

Seats are comfy, but I'd prefer the GT's.

Interior - roomier, or certainly feels roomier than Mache, Doesnt have the annoying console bar your leg rubs on in the mme.

Trim - upscale suede effects like GT, as opposed to vinyl on select and premium

Braking - similar to select and GT

Power rear seat folding

Display - so much more functional than mme, the drivers display not being present didn't even click.

Steering controls - that's going to be a learning curve. Once you get it, the utility? is cool. But you have to learn all the tricks.

cameras all over it. Car saves them all as individual streams to a USB drive. You can replay your trip from any angle. This alone is a really nice feature.
My crap dash cam doesn't compare.

Key/fob is a card. Likely as easy to lose, I think easier ... but then phone app.

Will need to chew on it a while to see if I'd want to switch brands and home charger..

Its like Ford's designers only went half way imitating Tesla's goals.

As a former Tesla M3 dual motor owner, I can add two more positive things to the Tesla column.

1. The card instead of fob is not quite a complete assessment. Phone as Key works seamlessly. And the Tesla app (we also have Tesla PowerWalls as part of our Solar) gives perfect integration so that you can adjust your charging rate from these app is you see solar production drop (clouds, for example) then dial it back up should it ramp back up. Tesla also offers a fob for those who prefer. Extra card keys are only $25 each--we used them as "surf keys".
"Tesla is a software company, Ford is a car company."

2. Acceleration. Haven't driven the newly revamped Teslas (ours was a dual motor 2018) but our first impression with our new 2024 Mach E GT was that the 2018 Tesla was noticeably faster off the line, but the Mach E GT quickly caught up and surpassed it. We also target enjoy the little bit if torque steering that the Mach E throws in that is not present in the Tesla. I believe that our impressions are borne out in comparo vids I've since viewed.

We love our GT. We think it's comfortable, well though through, and has great acceleration and handling. Not quite as efficient in mi/kwh, but we prefer the muscled look over the Tesla, especially the Y. As you might have guessed, we are Unbridled and one-pedal all the way. My wife was driving a Mustang when I met her, we replaced that with the 5.0 litre GT convertible, and as much as she's enjoyed other fast cars we've owned since then (she looks great in a Porsche) she's SO happy to be back in her faster than ever pony car!

 

[bibkisbu]

lol just no, if it was amazing and the worlds best it wouldn't be tricked by a wile e coyote wall or have a habit of taking out the child dummies in auto brake tests

Everyone likes different things so it is perfectly fine to like the model Y over a mach-e and praise it where it is better but lets not get carried away with a swimming pools worth of cool aid hyperbole

look at the euro NCAP which is the hardest emergency braking test. Tesla is always #1

They had a record high score of 98 and the test gets harder every single year because tesla always pushed the limits of what's possible.

By comparison, ford and GM have bottom-tier systems. They usually fail these tests.

These tests are not simple something in front of car and then brake. It requires predicting the trajectory of a car or pedestrian and knowing it is in your path. Tesla was the first to ever implement cross traffic emergency braking back in 2021. And tesla upgrades all cars so a 2017 model 3 would have better emergency braking than any other automaker's car in 2025.

The only ones with decent systems are chinese or german automakers if you buy luxury vehicles only. Presumably this technology is expensive and tesla is the only one to do it with cameras

FSD is not fooled by wil-e-coyote walls. It slows down for them just fine. Most AEB systems only detect objects last minute which means they won't brake for stationary objects at high speed.

Ford's bluecruise can't even see a stationary car in broad daylight.

I'm not aware of tesla ever hitting a dummy in an AEB test. The only test where tesla hit a dummy was one set up by dan o'dowd where he jerked the child out at superhuman speeds. No emergency braking tests from Euro NCAP, IIHS, etc. would test anything like this because this is not preventable



This is the highest score car in the euro NCAP of this year. Not sure you can say it is the safest car but it does have the highest cumulative score of any car in the world

 

[Bad Dolphin]

Bluecruise does not detect stationary vehicles. hence why there is no phantom braking

Because it will just kill you instead

I don't think you realize how much more tesla is doing. It is driving around highways detecting animals, pedestrians, vulnerable road users, cut ins, stationary vehicles, emergency vehicles, dodging accidents, predicting curves ahead, etc.


ADAS systems are dangerous because they treat highway driving like a simple task when it is not

If your windshield is clean, tesla has zero problems in sunrise, sunset, lane changes, etc.

It doesn't have problems in heavy rain either



That is false. No one has died from FSD. Across 4 billion miles.

In fact bluecruise is literally under an NHTSA probe. What for? Because of deaths caused by bluecruise not seeing stationary vehicles. Because they rely on radar and not vision they can't detect stationary vehicles

Hmmm. I know of one Northern California young family who lost the husband/father when his FSD was unable to figure out what an 18 wheeler on it's side across the highway was...

 

[bibkisbu]

Hmmm. I know of one Northern California young family who lost the husband/father when his FSD was unable to figure out what an 18 wheeler on it's side across the highway was...

you mean autopilot which is a software from 2017? And pretty sure tesla AEB has improved since then and this accident would not happen with a car from 2017

 

[bibkisbu]

What people don't realize is it may be very unelegant how tesla lied to develop their self driving solution. Regardless, this will cause a world of problems for other carmakers if you can buy a car that can self drive and one that cannot.

imagine road tripping while sleeping. Why would you buy anything else? Because it's not like Tesla doesn't make decent cars with steering wheels that you can drive if you want

 

[jay1122]

Motortrend-2023 Tesla Model Y Two-Year-Long Test

Honestly this article is what I felt about Tesla, no idea what made this mediocre car so popular. Maybe because it hit the market the fastest and has the biggest market share, so general public feels EV=Tesla.

There are good deals on lightly used EV from traditional manufacturer. A dealer near me has a pretty much brand new 2025 MME GT for sale. Clean car fax. Yet still not sold. Mean while, Model Ys have been flying off the lot.

 

[bibkisbu]

Motortrend-2023 Tesla Model Y Two-Year-Long Test

Honestly this article is what I felt about Tesla, no idea what made this mediocre car so popular. Maybe because it hit the market the fastest and has the biggest market share, so general public feels EV=Tesla.

There are good deals on lightly used EV from traditional manufacturer. A dealer near me has a pretty much brand new 2025 MME GT for sale. Clean car fax. Yet still not sold. Mean while, Model Ys have been flying off the lot.

Because tesla was better by most metrics.

Much less service intervals, easy to buy the car, not having to deal with a dealership

And the refresh fixed every "issue" with the car besides looks. Which honestly I don't think the new model Y looks bad

If you drive one, you will immediately notice how smooth the 1 pedal driving is and how much acceleration the car has. With other cars you can feel the transition from one pedal to mechanical brakes. It's like they gave up halfway and said, "good enough."

The refinement of tesla makes it look like everyone copied everything but only halfway.

For example, why do EVs need a start button? Tesla literally showed everyone how to do it. PAAK and the car automatically boots up when you open the door.

no one properly copied the sentry mode from tesla. Others have a "recording" feature but it does not continuously record. It only detects events and then starts recording. meaning you miss the event as you don't record until after it happens

 

[Bad Dolphin]

Because tesla was better by most metrics.

Much less service intervals, easy to buy the car, not having to deal with a dealership

And the refresh fixed every "issue" with the car besides looks. Which honestly I don't think the new model Y looks bad

If you drive one, you will immediately notice how smooth the 1 pedal driving is and how much acceleration the car has. With other cars you can feel the transition from one pedal to mechanical brakes. It's like they gave up halfway and said, "good enough."

The refinement of tesla makes it look like everyone copied everything but only halfway.

For example, why do EVs need a start button? Tesla literally showed everyone how to do it. PAAK and the car automatically boots up when you open the door.

no one properly copied the sentry mode from tesla. Others have a "recording" feature but it does not continuously record. It only detects events and then starts recording. meaning you miss the event as you don't record until after it happens

Totally agree that Tesla led the way. And our 7 year experience with our M3 dual motor was great. Personally did not like the buying experience and experienced a "bait and switch" when they teased us with a high used car trade in value but couldn't deliver our would have been replacement car in a timely manner, so dropped the trade-in value in half while raising the price of the new car (we had to abandon our non-refundable deposit, too.)

Did not like screen only controls several layers deep. Unless the Tesla was the only car we drove it required a lot of time adjusting back and forth. And friends had a terrible time using them as a rental car because they certainly didn't have time for those controls to become instinctive.

But we just loved it. So happy when they updated full one pedal driving to a complete stop (and left the option to adjust for those who preferred something milder.) One pedal much smoother than our Mach E GT or our VW Buzz.

VW has a start button but it really only serves to turn on accessories when parked and is unnecessary (and we never use it, as is true of many other BUZZ owners.) When driver's weight on seat is detected, the car comes alive, and when you touch the brake, it turns on instantly, much like the Tesla. Leaving the seat and exiting turns the car off. One pedal is either on or off by selecting one of two forward gears, and like the early Tesla setting, only slows you to about 4 mph and you have to use the brake to come to a complete stop. We prefer the Tesla/Ford method if bringing you to a full stop.

I think Ford has done the best job of setting up a car for the first time EV driver. Although I dislike having to use a start button, most if not all ICE cars have one, so having one may make the transition less daunting for many. We find the tactile controls at the bottom of the screen intuitive in labeling, action and placement and very quick to learn. The fact that the Ford, VW and my 20 year old Porsche all have CarPlay makes many controls simpler as we switch among the three vehicles. Tesla's nav screen is by far the best, but the navigation itself we found to be less knowledgeable than Siri and CarPlay (which is hardly perfect itself.)

A big gripe that I have with all software is change for change's sake. No change should be made unless it is an actual improvement, as all changes require some kind of learning curve for the user. This is particularly true if Teslas, since many controls are only accessible via the screen and might be in sub-menus.

Of course, one of the brilliances of the Tesla infrastructure is the in advance analysis that the primary resistance to converting to EV's would be range anxiety. By building out an excellent network of dependable charging stations, this made wider EV adaptation possible. Opening it up to other manufacturers is a wonderful idea to help the wider adaptation of EV's by ameliorating this concern. Adopting a universal standard for charging will do even more to help all manufacturers, just as moving to USB C for all devices is a great, consumer friendly idea.

I am very happy that we left Tesla (primarily to "vote with our wallet" against the dangerous and inappropriate invasion of government functions by its totally unqualified and unelected CEO) and have found the Mach E GT. It's a good looking car, with excellent performance and we find it confortable, too. We found the choice of interior materials very nice, and because we enjoy a clean look, a good compromise from the Tesla's beautiful but more extreme internal aesthetics and a potentially fussier design.

A competitive market is the essence of the best of capitalism, and is great for us as consumers.

 

[bibkisbu]

I was thinking about it. If another car company wants to do something like FSD.

First they have to build a car that collects data. It's not that easy because they need to build a car with regular software updates. Otherwise users won't connect the car to their home wifi and upload the data. This is 100s of gigabytes. You can't do this over cellular.

This would take 1+ years

Then they need to collect the data and build the system. Which they can spend 40 billion on, and there is no guarantee you ever have a self driving system. This is not an easy problem

The other problem is why would anyone buy a car with the promise of self driving when someone else will already be there?

Then at scale it will be extremely expensive to maintain a solution that allows large parts of the U.S. to have self driving. Billions of dollars a year which only works if you have a scale of vehicles to support this.

if tesla ever has unsupervised driving within the next 2 years it will be nasty for other automakers.

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