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The problem is that our fellow Americans buy based on the 2% case. If there is a slightest possibility that I will need to help my brother in law move a couch one day, then I need a big ass truck. Never understood that logic. Never will.
They don't use their gray matter. Decisions are emotional. Majority don't understand if they can afford something, don't read paperwork, ... They buy with the heart, not the head.
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If.

They have something me great engineers and employees, yet they seem to manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. There’s little hope they’ll do this right.

To be honest, a Lightning with a gas generator isn’t a Lightning. It’s a different form of a hybrid at best. No frunk (Where do you think the ice engine will go?) Low range. Just by a regular F159. But that’s also part of their point.

Ford’s experiment with EVs is over.
For Ford the point is to sell cars. The Lightning as it is doesn't appeal to many buyers. The market for a BEV truck is tiny. If we look at market data most buy a truck for it capabilities things like hauling heavy loads or pulling a trailer. Admittedly even if they only do it a few times a year. These things the lightning can do but at a huge cost to range this is simply a compromise most people buying a truck won't accept.

If you want to sell these in F150 kind of quantity then the Lightning should have always been a PHEV, IMHO
 
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I don’t understand the people hyperventilating over Ford killing an electric F-150 that couldn’t do truck stuff nearly as well as its ICE counterpart. The Lightning never made much sense. This move does.

I also don’t understand the people hyperventilating about killing the Mach E. We’ve got five model years on the road now, and counting. It’s mature tech. Which means my First Edition is safe from a parts and maintenance perspective. I’m nearly five years in, all teething issues were fixed under warranty, and I’m happy as a clam.

If Ford doesn’t make a next gen Mach E or abandons EV altogether, so what? I’ll buy whatever the best option is, when I’m ready to buy it. Whatever it is, it won’t be for another 4-5 years.

Also, if you’re just a “Ford fan” - cutting losses on an EV strategy reliant on battery tech that doesn’t yet meet the needs/desires of most consumers is not a bad business decision.
 

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Jim Farley's roadmap and PR spin have changed more times than I can keep tabs on.
If Ford did not adjust its road map they would be getting crucified for not listening to the new environment. The latest has changed the landscape on EV development and Ford and every other car manufacturer has to adjust. I love my Mach E and would love for it to continue. But without our country being conpetitive with other countries on EV outlook it appears to be giving those other countries a leg up in the short term. The only thing Ford can do is try and stem the tide until things change. They may even have to move EV investments out of the country to more welcoming EV countries and hopefully continue their investments there.
 

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A bit disappointment to me. This will confirm my decision to replace the Mach-E with a Rivian R2 in 2 to 3 years.
I don't believe that these EV only manufactures in the US beside Tesla, because of its scale, can continue to be successful. So I would not count on the Rivian R2 or R3 to be there in the future. The financials have really changed and it is going to be very hard for these EV only companies to survive in the US without very deep pockets and a rough ride for the next couple of years.
 


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If we look at market data most buy a truck for it capabilities things like hauling heavy loads or pulling a trailer. Admittedly even if they only do it a few times a year.
I’m sure stats would show most of them never do those things. But people sure like to spend double what they need for capability they don’t use.
 

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With my 2021 Mach-E, I will have to start thinking about my next move in the next couple of years. I’ve been disappointed that the vehicle hasn’t really changed that much but I do really enjoy driving my car. I always thought Lightning was a huge stretch at the price point it was offered, but I also think a vehicle with an engine and EV power train is going to be heavy, expensive, and not very reliable. That’s why I decided against buying a PHEV in the first place.

Losing the federal tax credit was disappointing, but in the northeast we are seeing gas prices drop below $3 and electric rates are zooming up now over $.35/KwH. A hybrid vehicle is getting to be as efficient when the weather is cold like it is now if not more so. As a consumer, I’m looking for the manufacturers to offer me the solutions I want to buy at a price point that makes sense for me. Do the research and solve the problems and consumers will flock to you. For me that is good range and no gas power.
 

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I’m sure stats would show most of them never do those things. But people sure like to spend double what they need for capability they don’t use.
Or they are spending less thanks to the generosity of the American taxpayer. Here’s a “stealership” literally helping with the heist.

https://www.ridetoday.com/section-179-tax-credit/

Your tax dollars go toward hauling air because the guy in khakis who owns an accounting firm says his pickup is for work. All those papers that have to go to the shredder once a year on April 16th! Khaki pants couldn’t possibly solve that problem without a pickup and a tax break.

(I’m wearing khakis as I type this)
 

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The problem is that our fellow Americans buy based on the 2% case. If there is a slightest possibility that I will need to help my brother in law move a couch one day, then I need a big ass truck. Never understood that logic. Never will.
In all the years I have owned an EV whenever having a conversation with someone about how it all works, they always, always, always, want to focus on the exceptions.

That one road trip they took once 12 years ago that definitely would be a pain in an EV.

I think that is how the majority of people think, they focus on the hard parts.

I'm not sure the automakers will ever be able to make those buyers think differently.
 

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I’m sure stats would show most of them never do those things. But people sure like to spend double what they need for capability they don’t use.
And that may be true I think the stats say 75% only use the bed, haul, or go off road once a year. However if that's why you bought a truck.

Same as me it's 80+ % of the time it's only two passengers in my SUV. However I may have 4 and I may use the hatch to haul some some. It's why I chose a SUV not a 4 door sedan
 

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And that may be true I think the stats say 75% only use the bed, haul, or go off road once a year. However if that's why you bought a truck
Which is just stupid to buy a vehicle that generally cost more, and cost more to operate because maybe you might one day sorta put something in the back vs renting from a hardware store. (Also utility vans perform better for many “I need a work truck” tasks….)

But we have no lack of people being stupid.
 

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Ford can Window dress this however they like but it’s still a horse plop sandwich. Ford can call this an improvement, or anything they like, but that doesn’t make it so. I have bought my last Ford.
Hey, at least they're listening to their customers now. Not like the ten year run of intentional feigned ignorance about this historically bad (and dangerous) POS:


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This is disappointing and part of the reason I went through with my buyback on my 22 Lightning. I am now a new Mach-E owner and am really disappointed that Ford hasn't merged the best of both these vehicles into a smaller Truck.

The problem with the Lightning is range, price and antique tech. I am actually amazed on how much more modern the Mach-E is compared to the Lightning. Ford needs to keep pushing forward with EV's, not necessarily in the Full-Size Truck Market but offer other EV's like the focus, Maverick and maybe ranger. The small Kei pickups are coming and Ford needs to get on this now.

Also, I am happy at the Progress Ford has made with Ford Pass, the last time I used it was back in July 2025. It is much more up to date now.
 
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The problem with the Lightning is range, price and antique tech.
What about the Lightning is antique when compared to the Mach e? I have never been in a Lightning but from pictures it appears the infotainment is nearly identical and the IPC looks to be very similar.
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