Brademcee
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- First Name
- Brad
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Let me start by saying that I really want a MME but after buying a Tesla a few years ago, I really appreciate the anti-dealer model. It is unemotional and straight forward process. I still feel like most dealers are not to be trusted, which is unfortunate.
I live in the Chicago suburbs and have been calling around to dealers in the area to see if any have a FEs on the lot. I totally get the laws of supply and demand where a dealer feels like they can mark up a car over MSRP but do not lie about it.
On Saturday I get a call from a Chicago dealer in the Naperville area that they have (2) First Editions available for sale and to come in right away. I ask her to send me the Window sticker and when she did, it was indeed a FE. I look up the VIN to verify and again, FE. I then check the dealer's website and they are showing the car as available (plus 4 others) but every car is marked up about $10K.
I then email the woman back saying that if they were selling the car for over MSRP, I was not interested. She emails me back and says she will talk to her manager. She emails me later to say the manager says the cars are listed with taxes and other add-ons but the car is available and come in to finalize.
So today I drive the 50 miles to Naperville and sit down with the sales person. He tells me that they can not honor my X-Plan on a stock car on the lot and then asked what I thought was fair topay. I told him that I would pay MSRP and would forgo the X-Plan discount. He comes back with it marked up $5K over MSRP. After a long discussion he drops it to $62,000 and starts showing me the financial numbers.
He first tells me that the Ford Options is a horrible program and all of his buyers are going with this Ford Flex Plan which is basically a 60 or 72 month finance program where in the first 36 months you pay a smaller amount (about 38% of the principal at 3.9% and then about 62% during the last 3 years of the program). The numbers just didn't make sense. With a $62K (with their ADM) and putting down $5K my payments would average around $980 per month.
I then told him he is nuts and to pull up the Ford website so I can show him the Ford Options calculator. So we went through the process.....and sure enough the payment came out to around $780 for the 48 month option. If I added the sales tax I was around $890. He says let me go talk to my manager. About 5 minutes later he comes back and says your right. They were looking at the wrong system! He says the Ford Options gives you 2.25% but the deal still is not as good as "their flex plan". He said the Ford calculator does not add in ANY taxes or other surcharges so when you do its back at $950.
At this point, I was so pissed that I just told him that I did not trust the dealership after they told me to come in and the car would be sold for MSRP and now going through this whole "lesson" just seemed dirty. Am I overreacting here.....? I must admit that I misread the disclaimer on the Ford website and thought it included sales tax......which I reread and realized it does not.
Am I in the wrong here? Should I just expect to be paying $950 per month for a Premium extended range trim (with about $5K down 48-month 10K miles per year)? Is the dealer model better or would we all rather just be dealing with Ford and picking up our vehicles locally at a delivery center?
I live in the Chicago suburbs and have been calling around to dealers in the area to see if any have a FEs on the lot. I totally get the laws of supply and demand where a dealer feels like they can mark up a car over MSRP but do not lie about it.
On Saturday I get a call from a Chicago dealer in the Naperville area that they have (2) First Editions available for sale and to come in right away. I ask her to send me the Window sticker and when she did, it was indeed a FE. I look up the VIN to verify and again, FE. I then check the dealer's website and they are showing the car as available (plus 4 others) but every car is marked up about $10K.
I then email the woman back saying that if they were selling the car for over MSRP, I was not interested. She emails me back and says she will talk to her manager. She emails me later to say the manager says the cars are listed with taxes and other add-ons but the car is available and come in to finalize.
So today I drive the 50 miles to Naperville and sit down with the sales person. He tells me that they can not honor my X-Plan on a stock car on the lot and then asked what I thought was fair topay. I told him that I would pay MSRP and would forgo the X-Plan discount. He comes back with it marked up $5K over MSRP. After a long discussion he drops it to $62,000 and starts showing me the financial numbers.
He first tells me that the Ford Options is a horrible program and all of his buyers are going with this Ford Flex Plan which is basically a 60 or 72 month finance program where in the first 36 months you pay a smaller amount (about 38% of the principal at 3.9% and then about 62% during the last 3 years of the program). The numbers just didn't make sense. With a $62K (with their ADM) and putting down $5K my payments would average around $980 per month.
I then told him he is nuts and to pull up the Ford website so I can show him the Ford Options calculator. So we went through the process.....and sure enough the payment came out to around $780 for the 48 month option. If I added the sales tax I was around $890. He says let me go talk to my manager. About 5 minutes later he comes back and says your right. They were looking at the wrong system! He says the Ford Options gives you 2.25% but the deal still is not as good as "their flex plan". He said the Ford calculator does not add in ANY taxes or other surcharges so when you do its back at $950.
At this point, I was so pissed that I just told him that I did not trust the dealership after they told me to come in and the car would be sold for MSRP and now going through this whole "lesson" just seemed dirty. Am I overreacting here.....? I must admit that I misread the disclaimer on the Ford website and thought it included sales tax......which I reread and realized it does not.
Am I in the wrong here? Should I just expect to be paying $950 per month for a Premium extended range trim (with about $5K down 48-month 10K miles per year)? Is the dealer model better or would we all rather just be dealing with Ford and picking up our vehicles locally at a delivery center?
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