480hp and performance disclaimers/limitations

[Mach1E]

It seems there is a ton of mystery surrounding the performance abilities of the GT and GTPE.

The only disclaimer I have seen on them is the 3.5 0-60*

*your results may vary.

However, the more we learn from people who have taken delivery, the more mystery and disclaimers there seem to be.

I’m sure I’m missing some, so what other disclaimers am I missing? Ford should absolutely let us know these things in ADVANCE!


*only available after 5 minutes of driving.
**only for 5 seconds at a time
*** only if at 80% charge or higher
****only if external temps are between 60 and 80 degrees
*****only can be repeated after a 20 second cool down between full throttle runs
******not available in unbridled extend mode
*******your results may vary. Void where prohibited. Subject to change.

The newest disclaimer I learned this morning is about the car restricting power for the first few minutes of driving. Definitely disappointed about that one and I would love to hear more details on the “how long, how far and what temps” it’s restricting power in.

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[Kevin P]

Did I mention in the other thread that if you are plugged in, then unplug and drive off, it seemed to have full power immediately? I presume it was preconditioned, even though I didn't set it to do so. Again though, I have hardly driven it due to my lack of an L2 charger situation. Will update further.

 

[Mach1E]

Just read a new disclaimer for the list:

********If cruising at highway speeds, full power limited to 1 second before cutting power.

 

[Motomax]

Welcome to the world of li-ion batteries, thermal management, and conservative limits.

 

[Mach1E]

Welcome to the world of li-ion batteries, thermal management, and conservative limits.

Definitely a new world to me.

But I hadn’t seen these disclaimers…… anywhere…. For the Mach E nor for the BEV competition.

I like many others would probably prefer to make an informed decision before making the leap.

You make it sound like this is just how it is for all BEVs. Is that really the case? Because it seems like people here are figuring it out, one secret at a time.

 

[Motomax]

You make it sound like this is just how it is for all BEVs. Is that really the case? Because it seems like people here are figuring it out, one secret at a time.

Thermal management is an issue for all BEVs, it’s just the nature of the batteries. Ford is a little too conservative with its limits, some people will say it’s looking out for its customers but it’s really looking out for its new brand. They don’t need an the press that the Bolt is getting right now. A certain other company doesn’t care much because their followers will just say f-it buy a new battery, what’s the big deal lol. that said, even they require some pre conditioning before full power is available on some models.

 

[buzznwood]

Once the power meter makes it way into the hands of everyone else via OTA, I will be very interested to see if the other trims power meters display will be afflicted with a similar sized party pooper region as soon as they attempt some sustained acceleration.

 

[dkmatter]

Just read a new disclaimer for the list:

********If cruising at highway speeds, full power limited to 1 second before cutting power.

where are reading this?

 

[Mach1E]

where are reading this?

Other threads from people testing.

Someone said that when cruising at 70-80 mph, then flooring it, the power meter started cutting power within 1 second.

This also lines up with the tested results of 60-100 mph from a roll vs 60-100 times when starting from zero. They’re only barely better and significantly slower than a 480 hp BEV should be.

Edit: I found the post. Post #103

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...wer-to-limit-heating.10416/page-7#post-262027

I'm late to this party and to be honest didn't read most of the replies.

My experience is NOT this. If you're already going 80mph (cruise set) and lay into it you don't even get a full second before it starts power limiting. If you're going 60mph you may get a few seconds but certainly not 5.

If you've been driving hard throttle where it has limited it will keep that limit for maybe a few seconds, maybe 10+ seconds depending on certain factors...it may keep it even longer if the battery or motors are hot. It may put a very harsh limit in right away even at lower 50mph speeds when you lay into it if you just did a higher speed pull.

There's some mystery to all of this but 5 second power limit is just false. There's a lot more factors to it.

I've noticed the power limits act the same in all modes except unbridled extended where it is always limited. I almost don't even believe it is heat related, I believe it is more likely just conservative software based on how much time you're spending at higher power outputs. 5 seconds is just not the answer.

 

[Frankie]

Definitely a new world to me.

But I hadn’t seen these disclaimers…… anywhere…. For the Mach E nor for the BEV competition.

I like many others would probably prefer to make an informed decision before making the leap.

You make it sound like this is just how it is for all BEVs. Is that really the case? Because it seems like people here are figuring it out, one secret at a time.

the 480 hp Mustang GT Performance traps around 102 while the 402 hp Volvo XC40 traps 108, you tell me.

 

[Frankie]

Thermal management is an issue for all BEVs, it’s just the nature of the batteries. Ford is a little too conservative with its limits, some people will say it’s looking out for its customers but it’s really looking out for its new brand. They don’t need an the press that the Bolt is getting right now. A certain other company doesn’t care much because their followers will just say f-it buy a new battery, what’s the big deal lol. that said, even they require some pre conditioning before full power is available on some models.

If it was just Ford and Tesla you could make a case that it’s Tesla letting their customers ruin their batteries but the Ford also doesn’t compare favorably with regard to this to Jaguar or Volvo and is guaranteed to compare even worse to the Kia and Hyundai coming out.

 

[Motomax]

If it was just Ford and Tesla you could make a case that it’s Tesla letting their customers ruin their batteries but the Ford also doesn’t compare favorably with regard to this to Jaguar or Volvo and is guaranteed to compare even worse to the Kia and Hyundai coming out.

It was more so a comparison between the two opposite extremes of ultra conservative ford and Tesla. Does Jag and Volvo have a BEV that compares with the GT performance? I haven’t really looked at them.
I would bet money that ford will loosen up their performance restrictions just like they are loosening up the battery restrictions. They are just being smart about it because they don’t have the luxury of guaranteed good press.

 

[zvez]

It seems there is a ton of mystery surrounding the performance abilities of the GT and GTPE.

The only disclaimer I have seen on them is the 3.5 0-60*

*your results may vary.

However, the more we learn from people who have taken delivery, the more mystery and disclaimers there seem to be.

I’m sure I’m missing some, so what other disclaimers am I missing? Ford should absolutely let us know these things in ADVANCE!


*only available after 5 minutes of driving.
**only for 5 seconds at a time
*** only if at 80% charge or higher
****only if external temps are between 60 and 80 degrees
*****only can be repeated after a 20 second cool down between full throttle runs
******not available in unbridled extend mode
*******your results may vary. Void where prohibited. Subject to change.

The newest disclaimer I learned this morning is about the car restricting power for the first few minutes of driving. Definitely disappointed about that one and I would love to hear more details on the “how long, how far and what temps” it’s restricting power in.

Guess I'm a bit confused, why is not having full power the second you drive off important. I mean what gas powered car are you going to drive at high speed until it warms up?

 

[Mach1E]

Guess I'm a bit confused, why is not having full power the second you drive off important. I mean what gas powered car are you going to drive at high speed until it warms up?

Outside of race cars and near race cars (like the GT350), manufacturers don’t limit power on gas powered cars based on temperature.

I live in Florida, it’s almost always “warmed up.”

So to answer your questions:
1. Because I have a 5 minute commute to work. My cars don’t have time to warm up.

2. Every modern car I’ve owned.

 

[buzznwood]

It was more so a comparison between the two opposite extremes of ultra conservative ford and Tesla. Does Jag and Volvo have a BEV that compares with the GT performance? I haven’t really looked at them.
I would bet money that ford will loosen up their performance restrictions just like they are loosening up the battery restrictions. They are just being smart about it because they don’t have the luxury of guaranteed good press.

Not wishing to discount comments as I am guilty of not paying attention just as much as the next person, but at this stage it is must be pretty obvious just from the various real world data owners have captured and times posted for the GTPE that its performance falls well short, it is unable to even reach the same top speed lesser powered vehicles in a 1/4 mile, we are not talking about pounding around a track lap after lap where keeping temperatures in check is more of a challenge.

When it comes to performance, pretty much the only party piece a BEV can bring to the table it acceleration and in this play space there are well defined expectations of what is possible, In one camp you have the Tesla approach which is to play a bit fast a loose with the limitations by allowing 1 or 2 faster times to grab a headline figure before things slow down but when they do not by much and the performance is still within peoples expectations, then you have the consistency approach of Porsche that has engineering for 20+ back to back runs all being within a similar time.

With the GT / GTPE it is unable to even achieve one full powered run to its top speed, and there is nothing smart about this poor level of acceleration performance in a supposed 'performance edition' and Ford should be getting nothing but negative press for it.

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