Do not buy a Mach E if you're expecting a high tech car

[Thesmoothdome]

same here, teslas are everywhere. I just can't bring myself to put money in the pocket of musk. I love the S and X but the 3 and Y are exceedingly blah in the design dept.

Blah doesn't even begin to describe the boring look of the Tesla. I can recognize a Tesla, but I'll be damned if I can tell one model apart from another. Even their SUV model looks just like the others. It's just a little taller.

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[pt19713]

What happens in 2-3 years when Mach-E and F-150L are more common and your car is no longer unique in your area?

 

[OrchidMania]

Depends on model. A friend of mine was looking yesterday and I confirmed just now.

• Model Y
  • Long range - May 2022
  • Performance - December (assuming 2021 )

Such BS on the cost. That number includes your 'potential savings' including gas . Those savings would be the same on the MME. Have to look close to see the real MSRP.

 

[OrchidMania]

I'm kinda confused how people thought the Ford MME would come out and be equal to what Tesla has been doing for 15+yrs. This is ford's first attempt it will take a few yrs to get on par.but will gain speed quickly hopefully and it should. I mean the auto pilot is still a hot mess and look how long that has been working on it. In Midwest and UP michigan all EV networks are struggling I don't see Tesla chargers at all. If you have one you are charging at home or driving 45 min to a supercharger which is not convenient at all.

The other thing people fail to mention is that Mustang, be it ICE or EV is a niche market for Ford. Look at the number of other cars and trucks they sell. That said, we will really benefit from the F150 Lightening. The software and charging stations will increase in the next 18 months.

 

[tuminatr]

What happens in 2-3 years when Mach-E and F-150L are more common and your car is no longer unique in your area?

It will happen, My Mach E represents mustang #7 for me. I think because the Mach E has such a distinctive look from other fords that this will be less likely. I also think that Ford will reimagine the car every 5-7 years as they have done in the past with other models. The redesign keeps it fresh and unique, look at the history of the 2dr RWD mustang you can distinctively see mustang elements in all the years but they have kept it fresh. IMHO Tesla has not done this they just keep churning out vehicles that look alike and the looks/design does not seem to evolve.

One other note on Mustangs they have always had a very strong aftermarket presence and I would think in a few years the Mach E will too. Body kits, custom rims, coil-over shocks, Lowering springs, ETC mustang can be customized to be distinctly yours

 

[RickMachE]

Yes there are a few very very limited still and my area you can look at the plug share does it show some yes. But they are at business campuses mainly it is still very very limited in the region. Is there a Tesla yes I stated before 45 min away that is not convenient. My area EVs you mainly have to base on charging at home or hope your work has one if they do it will be a dual port charge point so still very limited. Not a fan or ever want to have to drive 15 min plus out of my way to charge my car up.

What's a better app chargehub or plugshare?

Better?

Use both in your area and compare them and you'll know. It's likely specific to your area.

For what it's worth, we use PlugShare and never use ChargeHub. Also use EA's app, ChargePoint's app, and other networks as needed. And ABRP (A Better Route Planner) for trips.

 

[Chuck]

WOW! A lot of patting yourselves on the back for your out of the box thinking for buying the Mach E.
Pretty soon you won't be able to swing a dead cat without hitting one, but for now, have at it.

We wouldn't be driving the Mach E if it wasn't for Tesla.

It's not hard to be a fanboy of the $60K + plus decision you've made on whatever you bought. We're all certainly vested.

I drove the Model 3, Y, and Mach E many times before choosing the Mach E. It was the right choice for me. All three are excellent cars. I don't feel I have to belittle others for their choice. What looks good to one may not look good to another. We're all different. Look in the mirror at how you're dressed, trust me, not everyone is giving you the two thumbs up that you are.

I've yet to own a car that didn't have some issue or recurring issue and most of them have been Fords. They bought back my year and a half old F150 because they couldn't fix the transmission in any reasonable amount of time. The most popular truck in America and they didn't have parts or another transmission to give me over a three month period. This was back in 2016 so no, not a COVID issue.

Tesla's are awesome! The ID4 is another very nice car. Every time another EV is introduced, I want one. Not everyone is looking for 4 second 0-60 cars. Hyundai, Cadillac, VW, Lucid, etc... All new and exciting vehicles coming.

Electric is here now and Tesla has been the major player in pushing EVs to the forefront. They weren't the first, but they made electric cars exciting enough that we're all moving to electric, like it or not.

I really like my Mach E but it isn't the be all of electric cars. It's just a car. Soon enough there will be as many EVs as ICE vehicles, and guess what, you'll buy what you prefer.

Enjoy your choice, and let others enjoy there's.

Apparently it's not OK to belittle Tesla but it is OK to belittle fellow Mach E owners. I get it now.

 

[Logal727]

I purposely bought a Mach E because it was the anti-Tesla. The Mach E is a very comfortable car to drive and has all of the expected comforts and features of a great car. I'm also a big fan of Ford having previously owned 4 Mustangs, an Explorer, Expedition and a Navigator. However, I almost bought a Tesla, I put a down payment on the Model 3 when it was announced. I was early enough that I would have received the $7500 rebate. I wanted an electric car but couldn't bring myself to like the stark, sterile computer room type feel I got when sitting inside the car. Especially that white interior. I felt like the old man in the white room at the end of "2001: A Space Odyssey." Once I got that feeling I could never get it out of my mind. I'm so glad that the Mach E came along.

Yes, Tesla might have the best technology and, as a technologist with a Computer Science degree, I love technology. But when I'm driving the car I only want comfort and convenience. And the Mach E provides both of those.

Would BlueCruise be nice? Yes. Will I use it a lot? No, not really. I have everything I want in a car with the Mach E the way it is. I'm not going to fret or stress about future items over which I have no control. I'll just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. Literally!

The MME is the great in-between of the Tesla which is a computer on wheels and ICE vehicles of the past. I chose the MME because of this and discounted other EVs like ID.4 because of their outdated infotainment systems. Now I just want some bug fixes and I'll be happier.

 

[AllenXS]

On my cul-de-sac of 10 homes there are 7 EVs. 5 of them are Teslas.

Consider this: There are about 1 million EVs in the US. About 250,000 of them are within 150 miles of my house in SoCal. I can see 10 Teslas on my way to the supermarket that is only a mile away.

Here in British Columbia we seem to have 90% of Canadian Tesla's.
It's almost easier to count non-Tesla's on the road.

Apart from the vibrant pink one they are mainly white. Can't they at least offer 06 shades of Ford Grey like we get?

Oh yes, you can have any color so long as it is white.

 

[veronicablack]

It will happen, My Mach E represents mustang #7 for me. I think because the Mach E has such a distinctive look from other fords that this will be less likely. I also think that Ford will reimagine the car every 5-7 years as they have done in the past with other models. The redesign keeps it fresh and unique, look at the history of the 2dr RWD mustang you can distinctively see mustang elements in all the years but they have kept it fresh. IMHO Tesla has not done this they just keep churning out vehicles that look alike and the looks/design does not seem to evolve.

One other note on Mustangs they have always had a very strong aftermarket presence and I would think in a few years the Mach E will too. Body kits, custom rims, coil-over shocks, Lowering springs, ETC mustang can be customized to be distinctly yours

I’m curious how Tesla will go about any redesigns. AFAIK they go really hard on reducing drag when designing their cars (not that others don’t, but they seem to go a bit above and beyond it seems). So how much design space do you have for exterior changes when you’re constrained by that (for right or wrong). I feel like if they were a traditional car company we’d be seeing some major design overhauls soon but I wonder if Tesla will instead just focus on putting more and more tech into the cars to differentiate newer models from old.

 

[J5hort]

Interesting; here is south east MA I have seen a total of 2 MMEs over the past few months; whereas maybe a dozen Teslas.

I'm in the area and have a MME. We are probably the only ones in the area. It has been a month and I have not seen another.

 

[J5hort]

What happens in 2-3 years when Mach-E and F-150L are more common and your car is no longer unique in your area?

F-150, top selling vehicle for close to 50 years, millions on the road. Mustang, record breaking sales when introduced and millions on the road... are they any less impressive today.

There is something besides metal, plastic and glass that are put into these. They have a soul and I believe both the Lightning and Mach-E have captured that.

 

[ab13]

I’m curious how Tesla will go about any redesigns. AFAIK they go really hard on reducing drag when designing their cars (not that others don’t, but they seem to go a bit above and beyond it seems). So how much design space do you have for exterior changes when you’re constrained by that (for right or wrong). I feel like if they were a traditional car company we’d be seeing some major design overhauls soon but I wonder if Tesla will instead just focus on putting more and more tech into the cars to differentiate newer models from old.

The model S and X have already been refreshed just recently, but you might not be able to tell from looking at it. It's costly to change the exterior panel tooling, that's why the changes are minimal. In comparison a typical high volume car would change tooling for front and rear refresh around 500k to one million units sold.

They have enough volume on Model 3 sales, but they might not wish to spend on the tooling change.

 

[ab13]

Such BS on the cost. That number includes your 'potential savings' including gas . Those savings would be the same on the MME. Have to look close to see the real MSRP.

In the savings estimator you can't change the cost of electricity or MPG, so it's not so useful. The Nissan calculator is more useful here.

https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/cost-calculator/

 

[J5hort]

Not going to knock Tesla or Musk. I appreciate what has been done to further EVs and show how style, power and adoption could be added to the segment. Any serious interview with Musk (not very common) will show that the motivation and passion for the technology is there.

The Model Y I test drove was very fast and full of technology. It marked low on our list as it was to be a DD for my wife and the inability to tuern off 1-pedal drive made it a n on-starter. While I appreciate all the tech, self-driving, self-parking, etc were not important to us. I feel that any automated tech for safety, crash avoidance, etc was the best use of technology and really would not use the other tech other than a novelty. I hardly ever use cruise control. The MME we bought was without the technology package and extended battery. We just do not need it. I appreciate it, but not for practical reasons.

I did see a demo with a company called Faraday that had a valet/self parking and return to driver function that may sway my opinion a bit, but personally, I am Ok with the level of tech in the MME, even without the technology package.

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