Test drove a Mach-E GT Performance, dealer told me MachE are backordered 12-18 months? (Cross shopped MYP vs Mach-E)

[mkhuffman]

Welcome to the world of Telsa owners. There is a reason why Telsa owners have such a poor reputation.

I don't think this is a fair assessment.

I also have joined the Rivian forum, the Hummer forum, the Liriq forum and the Lightening forum. Originally I joined the Rivian forum because I was so excited about their products, but then the MME caught my eye. I sometimes participate in those other forums even though I went the MME route.

This forum is just another social medium for communicating and socializing. I don't think we should attack people who come here to honestly do that, which is what the OP appears to be doing. He didn't post and run, which to me would suggest a troll. He is trying to have a discussion.

This forum can be pretty hostile to newcomers sometimes. That is disappointing.

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[mkhuffman]

By the way - Ford dealer said trailer hitch and towing was possible on the Mach-E. I thought this was a no-no? Didn’t see an easy way for the trailer hitch to be added with the white reflector at the bottom in the middle.

Here is a picture of the tow hitch I installed on my GT. Ford does not recommend towing, but it is really easy to install one. There is a video in this forum somewhere of a guy who has been towing a trailer all over the place using his MME Premium. (I have not installed wiring for lights yet, because really I just want it for the bike rack.)

 

[oadesign]

Yeah, I thought about responding to all of their inaccuracies, but then figured why should I feed the troll?

Just driving a Model Y once resulted in a strong NO due to the rough ride and rattles, while just driving the Mach-E once, and I was SOLD.

 

[Mach1E]

I don't think this is a fair assessment.

I also have joined the Rivian forum, the Hummer forum, the Liriq forum and the Lightening forum. Originally I joined the Rivian forum because I was so excited about their products, but then the MME caught my eye. I sometimes participate in those other forums even though I went the MME route.

This forum is just another social medium for communicating and socializing. I don't think we should attack people who come here to honestly do that, which is what the OP appears to be doing. He didn't post and run, which to me would suggest a troll. He is trying to have a discussion.

This forum can be pretty hostile to newcomers sometimes. That is disappointing.

Hostile to newcomers?

Only when they join just to bash the car and tell us why they didn’t buy one.

It’s an a-hole move.

Seriously, what are they thinking?

You can’t walk into a room as a stranger, tell everyone there they made a bad decision, and expect a warm welcome.

Try it in real life sometimes and see how absurd it seems.

Walk into McDonalds at lunch time, then tell everyone loudly why you decided to go to Burger King instead.

 

[yngwenli]

I didn't read the wall of text from OP and maybe that's my problem, but I've seen all the pluses and minuses before from numerous users so it's the same stuff posted again.

Bottom line is both cars (Tesla MY and MME) are pretty successfull and appeal to different folks.

Both have their positives/negatives and telling anyone to do this or that is a waste of time. Since the MME is new, plenty of people have convinced me Tesla is the best, no brainer, so far ahead, all this stuff...and still, the Mach-e is heading to sell 50-60k in it's first model year according to the CEO.

There are issues too with Tesla cars as owners can honestly point out.

All I can add is it'll be nice to see more options late next year and people can just be happy with whatever they went with for whatever reason. Tesla was the only game in town it feels like forever.

Tesla still lacks 360 camera, android auto, apple carplay, front driver console screen, everything forced from the main screen, minimalistic (hate that), build/panel gap quality, having to give $$ to Musk, owning a car that's more vandalized from Tesla haters, only 1 (now 2 colors without a fee), common as a Prius, the MY is ugly (that's IMO), parts/repairs blocked by Tesla (Ben Sullins video), no tax rebate (MME is like $20k less for me than the bottom of the barrel MY after their $10k price hike), I can continue on and on....

but we just all buy whatever fits our situation/needs best. Not everyoneo wants to drive a computer that gets an update and now, all the stuff you're used to is gone/moved or not working anymore.

 

[mkhuffman]

Hostile to newcomers?

Only when they join just to bash the car and tell us why they didn’t buy one.

It’s an a-hole move.

Seriously, what are they thinking?

You can’t walk into a room as a stranger, tell everyone there they made a bad decision, and expect a warm welcome.

Try it in real life sometimes and see how absurd it seems.

Walk into McDonalds at lunch time, then tell everyone loudly why you decided to go to Burger King instead.

I didn't take what he posted personally at all. He has his opinion, I have mine. I am very confident I made the right decision because I absolutely love my car. So it does not bother me at all when someone does not agree. Everyone has their own unique perspective.

That said, I didn't think he was bashing the MME. He was really just bashing Ford dealers. He actually was complimentary of the MME, at least from what I read. It sounded to me like he would have picked the MME if not for the dealer experience and wait time.

By the way, I think 12-18 months is ridiculous. I cannot believe the supply chain issues are worse than they were this summer, and most cars are getting delivered much faster than that. Most, not all. There are a few people here who have been waiting (and have waited) an obscene amount of time.

My original Premium order that was placed on May 15 was just shipped today, with an expected delivery in the first week of February. That is crazy long, but not even that is 12 months - yet.

 

[HeyMomTheMeatloaf]

Dealer experience has been the bash. Not the GT Performance Edition. As someone else fairly points out, the MYP and GTPE are more alike than different. The differences are there, but not as seismic as some might think they are. I have shared my disappointment about the Sync system, and I do not think that is unfair criticism. If that is what has people upset, I encourage you to be honest with yourself and demand/expect more for your money.

There are differences that can be discussed...observed...like the aggressiveness of Regen breaking and infotainment, but at the end of the day they both do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. They both get roughly 280mi range (Ford appears to have conservative range estimates, whereas Tesla is optimistic)

Y'all keep forgetting these are the early days of EV. We will be switching rides left and right, as new tech comes out (faster charging, more range, lower costs). Ford dealerships are just a little.......stuck in their old ways. For me, I wasn't going to let the dealer dictate the terms as much as they had wanted; I want to be able to order a car like I do cheeseburgers.

Hostile to newcomers?

Only when they join just to bash the car and tell us why they didn’t buy one.

It’s an a-hole move.

Seriously, what are they thinking?

You can’t walk into a room as a stranger, tell everyone there they made a bad decision, and expect a warm welcome.

Try it in real life sometimes and see how absurd it seems.

Walk into McDonalds at lunch time, then tell everyone loudly why you decided to go to Burger King instead.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I finally got a chance to test drive one of these today. I was chatting with the dealer, and they said it would be 12-18 months to receive one. Does this sound right?

The answer to this one is right on the Ford website: 5-7 months.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I finally got a chance to test drive one of these today. I was chatting with the dealer, and they said it would be 12-18 months to receive one. Does this sound right?

FWIW - the price tag on the GT Performance was marked up 10k~ over MSRP. I had been cross shopping the Q4 Etron (hah - the online pictures that is!), Rivian R1S (hah - the online pictures that is!), Mach-E, and Model Y. After test driving today, I ended up purchasing a Model Y Performance. I really enjoyed the Model Y, especially with the upgraded MCU that has the new AMD Ryzen chip. The February delivery can’t be beat, especially compared to everything else (that isn’t Tesla).

I was blown away by the dealers remarks - I thought the Mach-E was only backordered 6 months, and didn’t know if they were trying to get me interested in buying the marked up model they had on the lot. I was willing to entertain the Mach-E, but that delay was pretty much going to be a dealbreaker. I also wasn’t too interested in having to deal with all of the dealer games.

I know the Model Y isn’t for everyone, but something everything I’ve come to experience with the brand is so……awesome. Chill dealer experience. Super easy charging payment authorization (none required). No markups or haggling.

If anyone is interested in my perspective on the two different vehicles; the Mach-E is definitely more of a “normal vehicle” - the regen breaking is reallllllly weak, and with the regen setting off (I don’t think this is possible on the Tesla), you could take your foot off the accelerator and not slow right down. This was my second EV I had ever drove. The Model Y Performance definitely left you feeling like you just experienced the future, whereas the Mach-E is kind of got a foot in the past and a foot in the future - still fun, but for a $70k purchase - I want to experience the future. The chill mode seemed to adjust the power curve toward what you might see in a high performance ICE car. Unbridaled was fun. The engine noise is lame - although it would be cool if you could customize it. For some reason I felt a blind spot changing lanes on the highway. I wish the Mach-E had more interior color options. The interior was nice, but still very Ford-y, very ICE’y. I briefly checked the navigation software out, and it did have the ability to find chargers, but I don’t think it specified if they were DC fast chargers or not. The Sync infotainment was not something I would write home about it; still a bit sluggish and just underwhelming - especially compared to the Tesla - and the new Ryzen CPU seems to set a new standard for car infotainment performance / speed. Trunk storage was a bit disappointing as there wasn’t any space beneath the trunk floor-thing. The trunk had some sort of plastic security cover that kept falling off and seemed pretty cheap - especially in a vehicle that the dealer is trying to ask something like 75k for.

Before buying the Model Y, I watched Ford CEO talk on Bloomberg for 10 minutes, and I watched a battery day highlights video with Tesla. Those two videos almost perfectly represent the commitment each of the respective brands seem to have toward making EV’s. Ford CEO was vague, spoke in generalities, buzzword bingo - scaling up, synergies with suppliers, etc. Meanwhile over at Camp Tesla - there is a very visible passion and drive toward one thing - making the best EV that consumers can buy. There is definitely a feeling that one brand tried harder to make the best vehicle (giving it everything they got), and the other brand worked to make a good vehicle - giving it everything they were allowed to give (Which is to imply, there is more Ford could have done to make a better vehicle).

I wish Ford did more to make the dealership experience less old school. I wish they quit with the dealer pricing games. I could watch YouTube videos of the Sync system, but I wanted to experience it in person; and it stinks. It is the best Ford has done - without a doubt; and had Tesla (along with Audi and Mercedes) not come out with such improved technology, it would probably be the best infotainment on the market today. I reallllllly want there to be more competition for Tesla. I don’t want this turning in to Apple vs. Android like ecosystem. Where Tesla is Apple, and everything they make is pretttty much perfect and awesome - albeit with criticisms. I don’t want everything that isn’t a Tesla to be seen as less-than.

2 years ago, I would have trash talked Tesla build quality, but after following their tech more - it is obvious that these folks are the smartest in the room; and that it isn’t that Tesla can’t make a well built vehicle, it is that they are focused on simply having the best EV tech that exists. Cosmetic issues like panel alignment are easily fixed - bolts and wrenches-type work. Poor software and less range are issues that none of us or a mechanic can fix. I inspected every Model Y being delivered at the service center - and I could not find the obvious alignment issues I have been able to easily catch in the past.

Now, make sure to follow that Elon chap on the Twitter. And go join the Tesla forum. Oh wait, that’s been shut. ?

 

[Maquis]

The answer to this one is right on the Ford website: 5-7 months.

That is for the U.S. While it’s not been confirmed, we think the OP may be elsewhere?

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Just driving a Model Y once resulted in a strong NO due to the rough ride and rattles, while just driving the Mach-E once, and I was SOLD.

This. I’ve driven a Y dual motor LR and a Perf. Co-worker and neighbor’s. The Only thing I liked was the acceleration, and I’m sorry, it’s quick but I’ve been in much quicker so that’s not enough for me.

The Y uses the old-school Detroit method of stiffening up handling - increase spring rates and use stiffer dampers and then bigger diameter roll bars - this results in a very firm, flat ride but it has no nuance to it. Ford, GM and others have moved on to really dialing in damper tuning which allows the spring rates to be decreased while maintaining good ride with body control.

Tesla has an advantage in HV batteries and software for the moment, however, they are Neanderthals where chassis tuning is concerned.

Plus, garbage build quality that you can see without even trying too hard. Inexcusable after 12 years of mass market production.

 

[Ride_the_lightning]

Thanks for your opinion. However, many of us on this forum actually owned Teslas before buying a MME. I was also in love with my Tesla after the test drive. 4000 miles later, a trunk misalignment, peeling paint, rattles, along with other small things and the honeymoon period wore off. Good luck to you.

 

[Bblattz]

Thanks for your opinion. However, many of us on this forum actually owned Teslas before buying a MME. I was also in love with my Tesla after the test drive. 4000 miles later, a trunk misalignment, peeling paint, rattles, along with other small things and the honeymoon period wore off. Good luck to you.

Second this...i have no sad feelings waving goodbye to my M3 that was made in a tent when my MME arrives hopefully in Feb. Good tech - yes - but the build quality is abysmal. Sooooo many rattles and creaks. The black paint now looks metallic from normal driving in the front after 18k miles. Also very loud...heard MY is worse. Supercharger network is pretty great tho!

 

[Mach1E]

I didn't take what he posted personally at all. He has his opinion, I have mine. I am very confident I made the right decision because I absolutely love my car. So it does not bother me at all when someone does not agree. Everyone has their own unique perspective.

That said, I didn't think he was bashing the MME. He was really just bashing Ford dealers. He actually was complimentary of the MME, at least from what I read. It sounded to me like he would have picked the MME if not for the dealer experience and wait time.

By the way, I think 12-18 months is ridiculous. I cannot believe the supply chain issues are worse than they were this summer, and most cars are getting delivered much faster than that. Most, not all. There are a few people here who have been waiting (and have waited) an obscene amount of time.

My original Premium order that was placed on May 15 was just shipped today, with an expected delivery in the first week of February. That is crazy long, but not even that is 12 months - yet.

Why would anyone take it personally? It’s not directed at us.

But again, just joining to complain about something you didn’t buy….. is rude.

And complaining about a Ford dealer experience in Djibouti? Seems a little suspicious. Can you even buy, let alone test drive a GTPE in Djibouti?

 

[HeyMomTheMeatloaf]

Naw, I am in US. I just get down with Djibouti

That is for the U.S. While it’s not been confirmed, we think the OP may be elsewhere?

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