Not fat shaming but…

[West1134]

Interesting...had to go look at mine!

I'm guessing that the GT for example has the dual larger motors it lowers the overall carry weight. Obviously, the extended range battery weighs more and lowers weight too.

Now obviously these numbers are based on the stock wheels/tires. I upgraded mine to 20" wheels and Pirelli P-Zero Nero tires that appear to be rated at 1984lbs per tire (104H vs 103H) so that buys me a slight more capacity. But totally agree here that most people don't know/pay attention to this stuff.

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[Jimrpa]

This ^^^

Most vehicle owners are clueless, including people that tow. Many dangerously overloaded vehicles on the highway.

A relative of mine, years ago, would use different-sized tires and put more air in the smaller ones to make them the same size. Dry rot? What's that? He actually broke a hitch and had to have it welded while traveling.

And this likely explains why the vehicle isn’t certified for towing in the United States. Certainly, I wouldn’t tow anything. One accident while towing and I could see insurance companies walking away from all claims and lawyers using towing as an easy way to find fault.

 

[RickMachE]

Interesting...had to go look at mine!


I'm guessing that the GT for example has the dual larger motors it lowers the overall carry weight. Obviously, the extended range battery weighs more and lowers weight too.

Now obviously these numbers are based on the stock wheels/tires. I upgraded mine to 20" wheels and Pirelli P-Zero Nero tires that appear to be rated at 1984lbs per tire (104H vs 103H) so that buys me a slight more capacity. But totally agree here that most people don't know/pay attention to this stuff.

The sticker shows the car as configured from the factory. Everything you add takes away from that number. Floormats, back floor mat, heavier tires, heavier wheels. Payload would be decreased. You'll get people arguing that tires and wheels don't impact payload because they are rolling, and not pushing down on suspension, etc., but that's garbage the brakes and other systems also have limits. Therefore, payload should never be exceeded except in short, low speed, circumstances. For example, we used our pickup to move over 9 tons of scrap over 2 or 3 summers to a scrap dealer. When I thought I was overloaded (and I was), I drove at 30mph with my hazards on the entire 20 mile trip, and kept my distance for stopping.

Even if you remove things the payload officially never increases. That's the max legal number.

 

[West1134]

The sticker shows the car as configured from the factory. Everything you add takes away from that number. Floormats, back floor mat, heavier tires, heavier wheels. Payload would be decreased. You'll get people arguing that tires and wheels don't impact payload because they are rolling, and not pushing down on suspension, etc., but that's garbage the brakes and other systems also have limits. Therefore, payload should never be exceeded except in short, low speed, circumstances. For example, we used our pickup to move over 9 tons of scrap over 2 or 3 summers to a scrap dealer. When I thought I was overloaded (and I was), I drove at 30mph with my hazards on the entire 20 mile trip, and kept my distance for stopping.

Even if you remove things the payload officially never increases. That's the max legal number.

agree with everything you said. I guess I was more pointing out that the tires I changed to have a higher payloaded than the stock ones. Thus in perspective of the tire, I am in a safer capacity-for the tire. Definitely doesn’t help stopping distance, etc.

I tow a 33’ 5th wheel and have def learned a lot about payload, stopping distance etc. over the years.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

And this likely explains why the vehicle isn’t certified for towing in the United States. Certainly, I wouldn’t tow anything. One accident while towing and I could see insurance companies walking away from all claims and lawyers using towing as an easy way to find fault.

Most people, including myself, that wanted an OEM trailer hitch simply wanted one to carry a bike on is all. But there’s no telling what people will actually do with a hitch or with all that room in the car? If it fits, it must be ok!

 

[MyLittlePony2022]

Interesting. 998 lbs for my GT.

Wow. You get four guys (average weight at 225 lbs) taking a road trip and you only have capacity for 98 lbs of luggage. Time fo all of us to get back to our high school weight (i.e. under 200 lbs.).

 

[River Rat]

Most people, including myself, that wanted an OEM trailer hitch simply wanted one to carry a bike on is all. But there’s no telling what people will actually do with a hitch or with all that room in the car? If it fits, it must ge ok!

I'd like to get one for recovery towing, any recommendations?

 

[Mach-Lee]

I'd like to get one for recovery towing, any recommendations?

I don't think that's necessary unless you park facing downhill. It may be easier to get some tow straps that can be looped around the rear control arms. 90% of the time the tow truck driver will just push your car out by hand and won't mess with hooking up to a hitch. Otherwise see the towing section of the forum, lots of discussion there.

 

[RedStallion]

Was grabbing a snapshot of tire size preparing to order winter tires. Saw this warning. Come on - FoMoCo. This is America. 872 lbs for 5 people and their luggage!!! This would void so many owners warranty if the car could weigh its contents.

Yeah, we don't need no fancy cars, we want cars designed for an average fat american slob

 

[Greenerairbus330]

At least we don't have to add anything to the gross weight when we fill up!

 

[byoungblood]

The sticker shows the car as configured from the factory. Everything you add takes away from that number. Floormats, back floor mat, heavier tires, heavier wheels. Payload would be decreased. You'll get people arguing that tires and wheels don't impact payload because they are rolling, and not pushing down on suspension, etc., but that's garbage the brakes and other systems also have limits. Therefore, payload should never be exceeded except in short, low speed, circumstances. For example, we used our pickup to move over 9 tons of scrap over 2 or 3 summers to a scrap dealer. When I thought I was overloaded (and I was), I drove at 30mph with my hazards on the entire 20 mile trip, and kept my distance for stopping.

Even if you remove things the payload officially never increases. That's the max legal number.

The max legal weight is the GVWR on the door pillar information sticker.

If I pulled out the seats, stripped out all of the extra plastic trim and covers under the hood, etc., I could legally carry more weight in the car, up to the GVWR.

The sticker the OP posted is specifically a tire information sticker. It says as the car leaves the factory, and with a driver, this is how much extra you can carry and not exceed the limits of the tires and GVWR.


With load index 103 tires, they aren't the limiting factor here anyway.

 

[kindofblue]

Wait until I tell you about boaters...

When we used to race sailboats on a lake in NM we'd make sure to get them out of the water and off the launch ramp before the drunk powerboaters started (trying) to retrieve their boats and trailers. Multiple disasters just waiting to happen and often would.

 

[sotek2345]

At least we don't have to add anything to the gross weight when we fill up!

Technically you do, it is just very very very small. E=mc2 and all that.

A full battery would be about 0.00005 grams heavier than an empty one.

 

[RickMachE]

The max legal weight is the GVWR on the door pillar information sticker.

If I pulled out the seats, stripped out all of the extra plastic trim and covers under the hood, etc., I could legally carry more weight in the car, up to the GVWR.

The sticker the OP posted is specifically a tire information sticker. It says as the car leaves the factory, and with a driver, this is how much extra you can carry and not exceed the limits of the tires and GVWR.


With load index 103 tires, they aren't the limiting factor here anyway.

Not really.

In fact, the sticker doesn't say anything about "with a driver". Combined weight of occupants includes a driver.

As far as ripping out all that stuff, please go ahead.

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